Nareit's REIT Report Podcast

Steve Loffman, managing director at Raymond James, was a guest on the latest episode of Nareit’s REIT Report podcast. Loffman is also a program director and speaker at Nareit’s REITwise: 2024 Law, Accounting & Finance Conference in Hollywood Florida, March 19-21.Loffman described the contours of the REIT capital market landscape today, noting that broadly speaking, “it's been a little bit challenging,” with REITs trading at a discount to net asset value (NAV). “But as time moves on, and if we believe in the yield curve, which I certainly do, I think we'll be making strides to get closer to NAV from an equity perspective,” he added.

This episode of the Nareit REIT Report’s ongoing series, “Building to Zero,” features Dana Schneider, director of energy and sustainability and ESG at Empire State Realty Trust, Inc.(NYSE: ESRT) and continues the discussion related to the real estate industry’s journey to reduce emissions from the built environment.In this episode, Schneider shares how ESRT began the journey on decarbonization more than 15 years ago by focusing on making the business case for deep energy retrofits.“By creating a process and publishing our energy and financial modeling, we showed what every step of the process would look like and demonstrated that we could have a guaranteed savings of 38% with a payback of three years. Frankly, it's better than we thought it would be,” Schneider says. “But more important than just the results was the idea that we could share the process and show what did and didn't work, how to do the right steps in the right order, how to work from the outside of the building in.”

Tony Edwards, Nareit’s senior executive vice president, was a guest on the Nareit REIT Report® podcast. Edwards will be retiring from Nareit at the end of March, and in this episode he reflects on some of the highpoints of his career and the major changes in the industry during the past three decades.Edwards said he expects to see more private real estate shift to the public market over time, pointing to the benefits REITs offer in terms of market discipline, low leverage, and their ability to weather market disruptions such as the great financial crisis and the pandemic.

Three members of Citi’s global real estate research team—Nick Joseph in the U.S., Aaron Guy in the U.K., and Howard Penny in Australia—were guests on the latest episode of the Nareit REIT Report podcast. Amid the market cross currents of slower global economic growth, offset to some extent by anticipated lower interest rates, “we are generally constructive on commercial real estate in 2024,” Joseph said. At the same time, Citi’s 2024 global real estate outlook also stresses the importance of stock picking, rather than broader sector and subsector allocations.For the U.S., Citi is projecting total returns for REITs of 10% to 15% in 2024, with adjusted FFO growth of about 3%. “Growth is being driven by slowing but still solid operating results, development and the redevelopment benefit that is coming on, and the retention of free cash flow,” Joseph said.

Travis McCready, head of life sciences, Americas markets, at JLL, was a guest on the latest episode of Nareit’s REIT Report podcast.McCready said 2023 was one of the most challenging years in memory for life sciences real estate due to a slowdown in the deployment of venture capital, higher interest rates and inflation, and “rather aggressive” real estate development of lab space in the past two years.Based on activity so far in 2024, though, “the year is already shaping up to be much more positive than the year before, so fingers crossed that we are looking at a return to an upwards trajectory in the months and year to come,” McCready said.

Laurel Durkay, head of global listed real assets at Morgan Stanley, was a guest on the latest edition of the Nareit REIT Report podcast.Durkay said REITs today are “cheap” versus broader equities. “They do screen attractively versus private real estate. They look compelling versus where REITs have historically traded, and they look pretty fairly valued versus fixed income. The macro backdrop is favorable with interest rate stabilization and the increasing likelihood of cuts this year… I think valuations look attractive.”Despite this backdrop, negative rhetoric about the real estate sector “and the potential for the other shoe to drop” persists, Durkay said. “Investors in Europe and Asia really do want to learn more about real estate, but it's hard to move past that conversation of the fate of offices in big U.S. cities like New York and San Francisco,” she noted.

Jeff Palma, senior vice president and head of multi-asset solutions at Cohen & Steers, was a guest on the latest episode of Nareit’s REIT report podcast.Palma discussed the launch of Real Assets Compass, an interactive tool designed to help institutional investors and financial advisors make informed decisions about strategic allocations to listed and private real estate.“We feel that there's an education gap among clients, institutional and individual investors alike, about some of the benefits of real estate,” Palma said. “Despite the evidence that we have that historically real estate has positively contributed to both returns and diversification benefits in broad multi-asset portfolios, it's sort of been an under-owned asset class,” he noted.

John Worth, executive vide president, research and investor outreach at Nareit, was a guest on the latest episode of the REIT Report podcast.Worth outlined some of the key messages in Nareit’s 2024 REIT Outlook, including three reasons that may make 2024 a good year for REITs. He noted that historically, at the end of a Federal Reserve tightening cycle, REITs have outperformed private real estate and equities over the following two and four quarters. “We think we saw a little preview of that at the end of the fourth quarter,” Worth said.Meanwhile, the divergence between public and private real estate valuations continues to be quite wide. Worth said that gap is expected to close in 2024, both through REITs performing well and continued markdowns for private real estate.

William Maher, director of strategy and research at RCLCO Fund Advisors (RFA), was a guest on Nareit’s REIT Report podcast.RFA’s clients include some of the larger public pension funds, and increasingly non-U.S. investors.Maher said that most U.S. institutional investors today allocate less than 10% of their real estate allocation to REITs. “I think that indicates a big underweight that they're probably not aware of,” Maher said. He added that RFA’s investor clients continue to want greater exposure to a broader range of property types and will continue to look to REITs to provide that access.Mid-size and larger institutions should have a “permanent long-term position in REITs for diversification, market knowledge, [and] exposure to property types that are difficult to access in the private markets,” he said.

Gwyn McNeal, executive vice president and chief legal officer at  Extra Space Storage Inc. (NYSE: EXR), was a guest on the Nareit REIT Report podcast.McNeal discussed her role at Extra Space, the merger with Life Storage and issues she has dealt with on the legal and personnel side, legal issues facing all REITs today, as well as advice for those seeking a legal career in the commercial real estate sector.Turning to the priorities for 2024 that she is most excited about, McNeal referred to a mandate from Extra Space’s CEO to focus on the fundamentals, after an “incredibly crazy” 2023. That involves making sure new staff are fully onboarded and trained, operating platforms are able to fully support the newly merged company, and that properties acquired through the merger are up to the same specifications as the Extra Space properties.