

Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change
Michael Liebreich, Bryony Worthington
Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Informative, inspiring and fun!
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Feb 4, 2026 • 56min
The World Decides: Clean Energy or Oil & Gas? | Ep243: Damilola Ogunbiyi
Damilola Ogunbiyi, CEO of Sustainable Energy for All and UN special representative advancing SDG7 and energy access in the Global South. She discusses how Africa and other developing regions are leapfrogging fossil fuels with solar, storage, mini-grids and EVs. They cover why energy access matters for dignity and gender, the financing bottlenecks, and how local capital, data and policy are reshaping the clean energy future.
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Jan 28, 2026 • 1h 11min
The State of the Climate 2026 | Ep242: Zeke Hausfather
Zeke Hausfather, climate scientist and IPCC lead author who also leads Stripe’s carbon removal research, joins to discuss recent record warmth and what drives accelerated heating. He covers aerosols masking warming, disappearing low clouds, the limits and governance of geoengineering, and the prospects and challenges for scalable carbon removal technologies.
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Jan 21, 2026 • 59min
Is Africa Poised To Be A Clean Energy Powerhouse? Ep241: Clemens Calice
Clemens Calice, CEO of Signum Capital, dives into Africa's immense potential for clean energy investment. Despite its vast resources, the continent only sees a fraction of global funding. They explore the roadblocks, like risk perception and outdated investment models, that hinder progress. Clemens discusses innovative solutions including rooftop solar for factories, electrification of transport with e-bikes, and why Africa can leapfrog traditional infrastructure. With a focus on pragmatic energy mixes, he emphasizes the need for tailored financial strategies to unlock Africa's green energy future.
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Jan 14, 2026 • 57min
Climate Action vs Cost of Living: Can We Do Both? | Ep240: Katie White, UK Climate Minister
Katie White, the UK's Climate Minister and former environmental campaigner, dives into the balancing act of climate action and cost of living. She shares insights on the Climate Change Act's successes, the need for sustainable energy amidst political challenges, and the importance of electrification. Together with Bryony Worthington, Katie discusses strategies for connecting climate policy to household bills and enhancing energy security. They also reflect on international cooperation and the role of innovation in achieving net zero goals.
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Jan 7, 2026 • 1h 8min
Trump, Venezuela & The Future Of Clean Energy | Ep239: Michael Liebreich & Bryony Worthington
The discussion tackles the shifting dynamics between oil, geopolitics, and clean energy. Experts explore the U.S. approach towards Venezuelan oil under new realities. An analysis of the stable $60 oil price amid global conflicts raises eyebrows. There's a debate on whether oil's significance is fading as electrification rises. They also delve into Europe's energy challenges post-Russian gas shocks and explore innovations in battery technology and electrification, underscoring the critical transition toward renewable energy sources.
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Dec 31, 2025 • 1h 5min
Cleaning Up Redux: Canada's Controversial Queen of Green — Tzeporah Berman
Tzeporah Berman, known as Canada’s Queen of Green, has dedicated over three decades to environmental activism, leading efforts with Greenpeace and now Stand.Earth. In this discussion, she dives into innovative campaign tactics, like turning tech giants towards renewable energy. Tzeporah highlights the crucial role of frontline leaders in battling fossil fuel expansion and emphasizes the need for a Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty. She also addresses the risks faced by indigenous communities and shares insights on navigating corporate and political landscapes in the fight against climate change.

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Dec 24, 2025 • 58min
Cleaning Up Redux: Hot Rocks in a Box — Anand Gopal
Anand Gopal explores the innovative concept of thermal batteries, or 'hot rocks in a box,' which can store renewable energy as heat for industrial processes. He discusses their potential to decarbonize manufacturing while highlighting the financial barriers they face compared to fossil fuel costs. The conversation shifts to the political landscape surrounding clean energy policies, including the influence of the Inflation Reduction Act on electrification and energy transition strategies. Gopal emphasizes the need for high-profile projects to demonstrate these technologies' viability.

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Dec 17, 2025 • 1h 11min
Stop Worrying About Clean Power, Start Electrifying Everything | Ep238: Lord Adair Turner
Adair Turner, Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission and former head of the UK Climate Change Committee, shares insights on the complicated landscape of climate change and energy transitions. He discusses technological advances in batteries and electrification as pivotal in decarbonization. The conversation explores China's industrial strategy, the importance of smart tariffs, and the challenges of global emissions. Turner also critiques US politics' impact on climate efforts and emphasizes the need for accessible electrification solutions.
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Dec 10, 2025 • 51min
Honey, I Shrunk the Oil And Gas Sector | Ep237: Lord John Browne
Lord John Browne, former CEO of BP and pioneer in the push for emissions reductions, discusses the future of energy from his unique vantage point. He explores how clean energy could soon surpass fossil fuel demand, the complexities of geopolitical dynamics like China's rise as an 'electrostate,' and AI’s role in energy needs. Browne also highlights his Beyond Net Zero fund's focus on innovative decarbonization strategies, emphasizing adaptation and resilience alongside technology for climate action.

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Dec 3, 2025 • 1h 9min
Why Does The UK Pay So Much For Cheap-To-Produce Gas? | Ep236: Seb Kennedy
Seb Kennedy, an energy journalist and founder of Energy Flux, joins Baroness Bryony Worthington to dissect the complexities of today’s gas markets. They explore the UK’s heavy reliance on Norwegian gas and the impacts of volatile prices amid global tensions. Seb outlines a potential LNG supply wave, the risks of demand destruction, and the challenges of electrification. They debate whether governments should intervene in gas deals and examine Norway's role in stabilizing energy for the UK while considering the implications of market speculation on consumers.


