

The Sport of Life: Chats w/ Comedians, Filmmakers, Sports Figures, Musicians, & Intellectuals
Trey Elling
Trey Elling chats with comedians, filmmakers, sports figures, musicians, and authors about their stories.
Episodes
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Oct 21, 2022 • 26min
#292 - Bryan Caplan on DON'T BE A FEMINIST
George Mason University Professor of Economics and New York Times bestselling author Bryan Caplan chats with Trey Elling about DON'T BE A FEMINIST: ESSAYS ON GENUINE JUSTICE. Topics include:
Feminism (0:22)
Orwellian 'othering' (13:49)
Public school classes are too touchy-feely (18:41)
Happiness (22:39)

Oct 18, 2022 • 31min
#291 - Annie Duke on QUIT
Decision-making expert, bestselling author, and former professional poker player Annie Duke chats with Trey Elling about QUIT: THE POWER OF KNOWING WHEN TO WALK AWAY. Topics include:
Why we have have a hard time quitting (2:17)
Richard Pryor (5:26)
Why NYC cabbies in the 1990s were bad quitters (8:17)
The difficulty of quitting in the red (13:03)
California's high speed train money pit (16:22)
Monkeys and pedestals (21:13)
Sears not being able to quit itself (24:48)
Daniel Kahneman providing a blurb for QUIT (29:29)

Oct 13, 2022 • 36min
#290 - John Crist on DELETE THAT
Comedian John Crist chats with Trey Elling about DELETE THAT (AND OTHER FAILED ATTEMPTS TO LOOK GOOD ONLINE). Topics include:
Writing a memoir at 38 (:31)
John's unique childhood (2:20)
Failure (6:58)
Early affirmations from a comic who had 'made it' (10:47)
Louie Anderson's generous offer (13:51)
Getting over a fear of discussing his spirituality on stage (17:00)
Mocking both sides of a topic (22:22)
A Sophie's choice for John (25:51)
Those little motivators early in a standup career (29:52)

Oct 11, 2022 • 1h 4min
#289 - Susan Linn on WHO'S RAISING THE KIDS
Renowned child psychologist and author Susan Linn chats with Trey Elling about WHO'S RAISING THE KIDS: BIG TECH, BIG BUSINESS, AND THE LIVES OF KIDS. Topics include:
How a commercialized, digitized society affects kids' brain development (3:45)
Nurturing 'awe' in children (6:14)
Mr. Rogers encouraging silence (14:12)
Mattel trying to hook babies with Aristotle (19:03)
Screens substituting for real-life interactions (21:38)
Amazon's Alexa for kids (24:16)
Minecraft (28:49)
Brand tribes (33:31)
"Reducing friction" when marketing to children (35:15)
Digitizing analog toys like Legos (39:01)
Pokémon Go, -Smile, and -Sleep (42:09)
Screens and advertising in public schools (50:30)
Prodigy (54:23)
Is there cause for hope? (58:51)

Oct 4, 2022 • 32min
#288 - Meg Gardiner on HEAT 2
Bestselling author Meg Gardiner chats with Trey Elling about HEAT 2. Gardiner co-authored the book with Michael Mann, which serves as the sequel to Mann's 1995 crime thriller HEAT, starring Al Pacino, Robert Deniro, and Val Kilmer. Topics include:
How she and Mann linked up (0:35)
Where the book picks up from the film (6:48)
Writing dialogue for characters that already exist on the big screen (13:30)
The balance of paying tribute to a classic film, while making the current project its own thing (16:06)
Turning HEAT 2 into a film or limited tv series (21:03)
Running track at Stanford (23:00)
Her previous career as an attorney (23:50)
Advice for aspiring writers (25:40)
Winning Jeopardy! three times in the late 1980s (27:43)

Sep 29, 2022 • 47min
#287 - Randall Balmer on PASSION PLAYS
Randall Balmer, an Episcopal priest and John Phillips Chair in Religion at Dartmouth College, chats with Trey Elling about PASSION PLAYS: HOW RELIGION SHAPED SPORTS IN NORTH AMERICA. Topics include:
Baseball as counterculture to the Industrial Revolution (2:32)
Football benefitting from the US Civil War (17:08)
Hockey as a metaphor for Canada (28:24)
Basketball's similarities to American urbanization (35:50)
Are sports the new opiate of the masses (43:56)

Sep 27, 2022 • 51min
#286 - Louise Willder on BLURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM
Louise Willder, a copywriter at Penguin Books whose written around 5,000 blurbs over nearly three decades, chats with Trey Elling about BLURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM: AN A-Z OF LITERARY PERSUASION. Topics include:
Defining “blurb” (0:29)
The profession of “blurbing” (3:09)
Adjectives begetting laziness (7:10)
Subtitles (10:24)
Why some authors despise blurbs (14:10)
Do authors ever write their own blurbs? (17:14)
Charles Dickens: trailblazing self-promoter (21:00)
What makes a book ‘classic’ (27:35)
Louise’s blurbing pet peeves (30:34)
The greatness of cuss words (32:43)
The greatness of…the ellipsis (36:18)
Blurbing a book that sucks (39:03)
Rules for blurbing self-help books (41:30)
Blurbing the Bible (44:09)
Blurbs in the US vs the UK (46:46)

Sep 23, 2022 • 1h 30min
#285 - James DiEugenio on JFK REVISITED
Jim DiEugenio, a foremost expert on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, chats with Trey Elling about JFK REVISITED: THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS. The book provides annotated transcripts of Oliver Stone's recent two- and four-hour documentaries, co-written by Jim, that present the most recent evidence uncovered by the Assassinations Record Review Board (ARRB). Topics include:
The ARRB's importance for this project (2:45)
JFK's autopsy confusion (12:57)
The mystery of a press conference held by the two Dallas doctors who tried to save JFK on 11/22/63 that has been dashed from history (20:07)
The three Texas Book Depository secretaries whose testimony was ignored (30:06)
A meeting between JFK, Allen Dulles, and Lyman Lemnitzer that showed Kennedy at odds was with the US military industrial complex (37:11)
CIA MK-Ultra psychiatrist Jolly West paying a visit to Jack Ruby in prison, after he killed Oswald (1:09:25)
Who was most responsible for killing JFK, and LBJ's complicity in the plan (1:20:44)

Sep 20, 2022 • 48min
#284 - Henry Sanderson on VOLT RUSH
Journalist and author Henry Sanderson chats with Trey Elling about VOLT RUSH: THE WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THE RACE TO GO GREEN. Topics include:
Why electric vehicles didn't catch on initially in the early 1900s (2:01)
How Exxon gets partial credit for discovering the lithium battery (4:37)
China as the world's 'battery superpower' (7:54)
Lithium's path from ground to battery (11:40)
Cobalt's path from ground to battery (18:11)
Nickel's path from ground to battery (26:04)
The shocking amount of copper needed in electric vehicles (30:21)
Deep sea mining as the next 'great' frontier for EV materials (35:03)
Possible solutions to a finite amount of inhumanely sourced materials (38:44)

Sep 15, 2022 • 47min
#283 - Kristin Ohlson on SWEET IN TOOTH AND CLAW
Portland-based writer and author Kristin Ohlson chats with Trey Elling about SWEET IN TOOTH AND CLAW: STORIES OF GENEROSITY AND COOPERATION IN THE NATURAL WORLD. Topics include:
Harvesting trees while keeping a forest healthy (1:14)
Dead salmon's contribution to the forest network (5:17)
Bees sometimes cheating mutualism with pollenating flowers (7:03)
Relaxed selection versus natural selection (9:10)
How viral infections helped with human evolution (13:57)
Humans emit a lot of bacteria and...fungi? (16:15)
The spread of germs can be beneficial (17:33)
The effect of sugary junk food on the gut microbiome (20:13)
How an area in Nevada transformed from desert into wetland (21:52)
Regenerative agriculture (28:42)
Coral snot and island bid poop as other examples of mutualism (35:31)
Whether cities' attempts to build nature into concrete jungles has paid off (40:01)


