

Nonprofit Leadership Podcast
Dr. Rob Harter
The Nonprofit Leadership Podcast discusses important issues facing nonprofit leaders in our community and features real stories from real leaders about what strategies and practices have made them successful. Enjoy the show!
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Apr 29, 2022 • 5min
Five Minute Fridays with Rob
How do you create a healthy work-life balance? When you hear the phrase, healthy work-life balance, what goes through your mind? Do you think that it is possible or is it just a myth?
As executive directors, CEOs, and board members of nonprofits, culture starts with you. You set the pace. Does your everyday schedule reflect this? How will your organization make work-life balance a top priority?
Rob would love your feedback on what you’re doing in your organization to create this culture of prioritizing a healthy work-life balance. You can email Rob at nonprofitleadershippodcast@gmail.com
Links to Resources:
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Apr 26, 2022 • 33min
How a rockstar’s vision has turned into a global movement
Across the world, many people are familiar with the name Bono, the lead singer of the internationally famous band U2, but not everyone knows that Bono started the ONE Campaign. The initial slogan of the ONE Campaign was to “make poverty history“. This continues to guide their efforts as they have grown significantly from when Bono first co-founded this organization. The ONE Campaign is a global organization that tackles the causes of extreme poverty and preventable disease with a focus on Africa. This organization also fights for gender equality, youth employment, quality education, and access to health services, and hopes
Rob’s guest today is the CEO of the ONE Campaign, Gayle Smith. Gayle’s career includes working on the ground with nonprofits across Africa, and leadership positions under the Clinton and Obama administrations as an international journalist, and in the US Agency for International Development and other organizations to end extreme poverty.
Gayle Smith, CEO of the ONE Campaign
Gayle sheds light on how the ONE Campaign is an advocacy organization working to mobilize citizens and governments to reach their goal of ending poverty and preventable diseases by 2030. She explains how ONE has managed to secure $37.5 billion in funding since the organization’s inception by utilizing an inside/out approach, leaning on volunteers to meet with congressional representatives and other decision makers who influence spending. She also shares how other nonprofits can take a similar approach by focusing on a clear, tight message that appeals to the media and by leveraging volunteers to meet with local leaders about one’s mission. She dives into the painstaking process of getting legislation passed and why having experts that understand your organization’s issues are key to connecting with lawmakers. Gayle shares her philosophy about networking and collaboration and the importance of scaling so more voices can share your mission. She explains how they used pop culture and social media during the pandemic to reach audiences they might not otherwise reach. She also addresses how they’ve been able to keep ONE’s overall purpose and mission the focus across the organization by sticking to their values. Finally, she discusses the biggest barriers still facing the ONE Campaign and how their mission is still doable.
Links to Resources:
ONE – https://www.one.org/us/
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.org
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This episode is sponsored by Arts Midwest

Apr 19, 2022 • 40min
Why your employees are your greatest competitive advantage
Your nonprofit’s team is your greatest competitive advantage. We don’t often use those terms in the nonprofit sector, but the sentiment is true for both the nonprofit and for-profit sectors. Leadership development is critical for any organization, but the process of actually developing leaders takes more intentionality and more time than most nonprofits are currently investing. How does your organization grow leaders? Do you have an intentional plan? Have you set aside resources to proactively invest in your current team?
Rob’s guest today is John Aden, the CEO of David C. Cook, and has held senior leadership roles at Walmart, Frito Lay, and Mac Tools. He recently came out of retirement to bring his years of corporate experience to this nonprofit organization.
John Aden, the CEO of David C. Cook
John shares what he’s enjoyed most about serving in leadership roles and why he believes emerging leaders must keep an open mind and understand there’s no replacement for doing hard work. He explains the differences he’s observed between the for-profit and nonprofit sectors, and why more nonprofits must invest in leadership development. He goes on to discuss why more nonprofits must focus on adopting a competitive advantage mindset while remembering the role of innovation. He also points out the need to leverage scale in order to create efficiencies so that an organization can reach more people with increased speed. John emphasizes the importance of connecting your core values to your purpose every day, and how core values impact an organization’s culture and overall performance. He explains how nonprofits can build strategic partnerships to increase growth as well as emphasizing how creating an innovation team, changing the conversation, and listening to the ideas of your team can positively shift outcomes. Finally, he shares personally about how two leaders in particular have shaped him the most. They shaped his own view of leadership by demonstrating why values, humility, and having a service mindset are key to leaders who seek to do “well” so that they can do “good”.
Links to Resources:
John Aden on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-aden-19ab11150/
David C. Cook Publishing – https://davidccook.org/
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.org
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This episode is sponsored by Arts Midwest

Apr 11, 2022 • 32min
How can you grow and scale your nonprofit most effectively?
Growing a nonprofit takes more than just passion and creativity: it takes great leadership. The right leadership skills will help guide your organization effectively through the challenges you will face. In fact, effective leadership is the engine that runs healthy nonprofits. It moves a vision to reality. Without good leadership, everything falls apart.
Rob’s guest today is Pamela Davis, the founder, president and chief executive officer (CEO) of the Nonprofits Insurance Alliance (NIA). Pamela started NIA from scratch with four people. Today, she has well over 100 employees and thousands of nonprofits insured through NIA. NIA’s purpose is to serve other organizations by providing a stable source of reasonably priced liability and property insurance tailored to the specialized needs of the nonprofit sector and to assist these organizations in developing and implementing successful loss control and risk management programs.
Pamela Davis
Pamela discusses issues common to nonprofits, such as mission drift, lack of diversity, and unpredictable funding practices. She also addresses the problem that arises with organizations who may begin with a clear mission but slowly become stagnant, lose money and stop growing. Pamela shares how she went about securing startup funding for her organization and the importance of creating a culture of innovation in all nonprofits. She also gives insights into how she went about initiating the process that led to the passing of bills pertaining to nonprofits. These bills were beneficial not only to her own organization but also to the nonprofits that she served. She recounts how she was able to work on the legislation while keeping the momentum going for her own organization at the same time. Throughout the interview, she will share about the challenges she faced in building her nonprofit from scratch, how she overcame them, and how other nonprofit leaders can overcome their leadership challenges that they will encounter as they grow.
Links to Resources:
Nonprofits Insurance Alliance (NIA) – https://insurancefornonprofits.org/
Pamela Davis on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-davis-017a75a
Nonprofits Insurance Alliance (NIA) on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/company/nonprofits-insurance-alliance?trk=public_profile_topcard-current-company
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.org
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Apr 4, 2022 • 30min
How can you develop a board that is ready for the future?
When it comes to those who hold the most power in a nonprofit or a company, most people assume it’s the CEO or Executive Director. However, the reality is that the board is the group who has the most power. The board hires and fires the CEO and is tasked with stewarding the future of the organization in business.
Rob’s guest today is Helle Bank Jorgensen and she has a 30-year track record of returning environmental, social and governance (ESG) risks into innovative and profitable business opportunities. Helle has experience in both the for-profit and nonprofit sector and is currently the founder and chief executive of Competent Boards, which offers online climate and ESG programs from a faculty of over 100 renowned board members, executives and experts. She’s also an advisor with Global Fortune 500 boards and board members, including Nike, Shell, and Unilever. She also serves on several high profile international panels including the World Economic Forum, and recently published a new book entitled Stewards of the Future: A Guide for Competent Boards.
Helle Bank Jorgensen
Helle addresses the Sustainability Board Report and the fact that although more board directors are becoming aware of environmental, social and governance issues, their competencies for how to manage such issues are lacking. She shares how boards can determine which ESG issues deserve their highest attention and the biggest risks and opportunities that should be discussed around the board table. She explains why it’s important for boards to have a long term mindset along with the four key traits that truly demonstrate a board’s preparedness for whatever the future brings. Helle discusses the difference between managing and engaging stakeholders and why communication is key to understand what stakeholders want for an organization. She shares advice for bringing the next generation of young leaders to help increase value and diversity of thought on one’s board, as well as how to recruit new board members from the BIPOC community. Finally, she addresses her new book and points out why it’s so critical for organizations to understand what their impact will be seven generations from now.
Links to Resources:
Competent Boards – https://competentboards.com/
Stewards of the Future – https://competentboards.com/stewards-of-the-future/
Competent Boards on LinkedIn – https://ca.linkedin.com/company/competentboards
Helle Bank Jorgenson LinkedIn – https://ca.linkedin.com/in/hellebank
Helle Bank Jorgenson Twitter – https://twitter.com/hellebankjorgen
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.org
To be added to the monthly email update, go to http://nonprofitleadershippodcast.org/

Mar 27, 2022 • 36min
How to turn former gang members into nonprofit leaders
Leading and motivating staff is a difficult job for every leader, especially the CEO or Executive Director of an organization. Staff communication, staff conflict and staff competition are very real issues that all leaders have to navigate through as they seek to move the organization towards a common mission. Could you imagine having two staff members who are literally working side by side who are from rival gangs? What kind of potential conflict and competition would this create? This is exactly the scenario that Rob’s guest faces every day at his organization.
Rob’s guest today is Thomas Vozzo, the first ever CEO of Homeboy Industries, the largest gang rehabilitation and reentry program in the world that helps former gang members redirect their lives and become contributing members of their community. Thomas also has a new book coming out called The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life. In it, he outlines how he went from generating billion dollar revenues and making million dollar profits to becoming a voluntary, unpaid CEO of a nonprofit built on compassion, empathy, and social justice.
Thomas Vozzo, CEO of Homeboy Industries
In this episode, Thomas provides an overview of Homeboy Industries’ beginnings and their mission of working to get young men out of gang life. He shares about the “secret sauce” of Homeboy Industries which is its unique community. He also shares what led him to leave a successful corporate career to become the organization’s CEO. Further, Thomas walks us through his leadership journey; how he built trust, cast his vision, and successfully moved the organization forward by doubling its size and impact. He explains how he has navigated the challenges of employing former clients while emphasizing the importance of understanding the long term commitment required to invest in people and help them find positions where they’ll thrive. He also discusses the challenge of being a mission-driven organization that needs to run like a for-profit business. As he gives his perspective, he shares what it’s like working with rival gang members who have been victims of racial, economic, and system-wide injustice. Thomas will also share three important lessons he learned while writing his book and the key principles of finding joy, balance, and your personal beliefs. Finally, he addresses the heavy burden of helping former gang members and prisoners heal from their pain.
Links to Resources:
The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life – https://www.amazon.com/Homeboy-Way-Radical-Approach-Business/dp/082945456X
Homeboy Industries – https://homeboyindustries.org/
Homeboy Industries on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/HomeboyIndustries
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.orgTo be added to the monthly email update, go to http://nonprofitleadershippodcast.org/

Mar 23, 2022 • 31min
Why two of the country’s largest nonprofits are working together Part 2
When it comes to nonprofits, is working together really better? For two of our country’s largest nonprofits, the answer is yes. Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America just announced a new collaborative partnership with the Girl Scouts of the USA to help young women create lasting and meaningful relationships.
Rob’s guests today are Artis Stevens, the first black CEO of Big Brothers Big Sisters, and Judith Batty, who has served as interim CEO of the Girl Scouts and was also the first black CEO of the Girl Scouts. Both organizations have a long history of over 100 years ago and recently partnered to expand their reach and learn and grow together.
This is Part 2 of Rob’s interview with them.
Artis Stevens, CEO of Big Brothers Big Sisters
Judith Batty, CEO of the Girl Scouts
Judith and Artis dive into the why behind their collaboration and the focus on shared values and commitment to young people. They discuss the logistics of implementing programs, building to scale, and creating sustainable outcomes.They break down three delivery models they’re currently piloting, the impact of this collaboration on each organization’s culture, and how they are trying to empower their staff, volunteers, and young people to find their voice and to be change agents in their communities. Finally, Artis and Judith review the origins of their respective organizations and why their work is just as relevant today as when they first started.
Links to Resources:
Girl Scouts of the USA –https://www.girlscouts.org/
Judith Batty – https://www.linkedin.com/in/judith-batty
Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America – https://www.bbbs.org/
Artis Stevens – https://www.linkedin.com/in/artis-stevens-b386195/
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@robharter.com To be added to the monthly email update, go to http://nonprofitleadershippodcast.org/

Mar 17, 2022 • 21min
Why two of the country’s largest nonprofits are working together Part 1
When it comes to nonprofits, is working together really better? For two of our country’s largest nonprofits, the answer is yes. Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America just announced a new collaborative partnership with the Girl Scouts of the USA to help young women create lasting and meaningful relationships.
Rob’s guests today are Artis Stevens, the first black CEO of Big Brothers Big Sisters, and Judith Batty, who has served as interim CEO of the Girl Scouts and was also the first black CEO of the Girl Scouts. Both organizations have a long history of over 100 years ago and recently partnered to expand their reach and learn and grow together.
This is Part 1 of Rob’s interview with them.
Artis Stevens, CEO of Big Brothers Big Sisters
Judith Batty, CEO of the Girl Scouts
Judith and Artis dive into the why behind their collaboration and the focus on shared values and commitment to young people. They discuss the logistics of implementing programs, building to scale, and creating sustainable outcomes.They break down three delivery models they’re currently piloting, the impact of this collaboration on each organization’s culture, and how they are trying to empower their staff, volunteers, and young people to find their voice and to be change agents in their communities. Finally, Artis and Judith review the origins of their respective organizations and why their work is just as relevant today as when they first started.
Links to Resources:
Girl Scouts of the USA –https://www.girlscouts.org/
Judith Batty – https://www.linkedin.com/in/judith-batty
Big Brothers and Big Sisters of America – https://www.bbbs.org/
Artis Stevens – https://www.linkedin.com/in/artis-stevens-b386195/
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@robharter.com To be added to the monthly email update, go to http://nonprofitleadershippodcast.org/

Mar 9, 2022 • 36min
How nonprofits can move from being an organization to a “brand”
Too often, nonprofits think they’re the cause that the community wants to support. But nonprofits are not the cause. They’re the conduit for the cause.
Rob’s guest today is Bill McKendry, a marketing expert who’s spent 35 years successfully doing marketing for many for-profit companies. He pivoted out of the for-profit world to not only start a nonprofit, but is now an author of a book focused on helping nonprofit professionals build better brand awareness and increase their impact, while at the same time building donor’s support and community involvement.
Bill McKendry
Bill shares his experience of leaving the for-profit sector and how his new book has been 25 years in the making. He explains why nonprofits should focus on finding strength in their voice by investing in their marketing and messaging. He dives into how the biggest competition nonprofits face are the best marketers in the world. He also points out how many businesses are creating causes to support instead of partner with nonprofits. He discusses how nonprofits can provide a “triple win” by partnering with businesses that need the trust and good stewardship a nonprofit organization offers. He also shares the top three things that nonprofit leaders need to know in order to build their brand. Bill also explains why nonprofits must understand the three categories of brands: “candy, vitamin, and painkiller”. Finally he points out the evidence that “frequency wins”, when it comes to marketing. It is not necessarily about waiting to find the perfect marketing or the best video, or the most expensive advertising. It is all about frequency.
This episode is sponsored by Do More Good and Epic.inc
Links to Resources:
Do More Good – https://domoregood.org/
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.org
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Mar 3, 2022 • 32min
How effective leaders adapt to a ever-changing environment
Change is the one constant in our world, and most of us reluctantly acknowledged this truth perhaps never more than this past year. We all have been through so much change and we’re still going through more change. How can you as a leader adapt effectively to our ever-changing environment, especially as it relates to your organization’s culture and leadership challenges?
Rob’s guests today are Dave Jones and Phyllis Hockett, co-founders of Pathway Associates. They have many years of experience between them and are full time consultants who are dedicated to raising up effective leaders for today’s nonprofits.
Phyllis Hockett, Co-Founder Pathway Associates
Dave Jones, Co-Founder Pathway Associates
Dave and Phyllis discuss current trends they’re witnessing in organizations and how the pandemic has permanently affected nonprofits either for the good or the bad. They address this era of transformative change and why it’s critical for organizations to have forward-thinking leadership ready to adapt as needed. They explain why it’s important to focus on relationships and the return on investment when it comes to events and leveraging technology for fundraising. They share advice for how to achieve a healthy balance of advocacy without becoming too political, being mindful of IRS limitations, and staying true to your mission. They give examples of how organizations can double their impact by working together in successful collaboration. Phyllis and Dave also talk about why leadership is critically important to creating a positive culture and how a board’s culture of philanthropy can affect an organization. They share what leadership methods they believe are necessary to bring about social change and the practices that have shaped them personally as leaders. Finally, they explain the value of having a beginner’s mind and why it’s okay to not have all the answers as long as you’re willing to keep learning.
Links to Resources:
Pathway Associates – https://www.pathwayassoc.com/
If you have questions or want to come on the show, email Rob at rob@ccofpc.orgTo be added to the monthly email update, go to http://nonprofitleadershippodcast.org/


