

Sounds of SAND
Science and Nonduality
Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being
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Oct 12, 2022 • 57min
#6 New Gods at the End of the World: Bayo Akomolafe and Sophie Strand
Today, we present wild and flowering conversation between two poets, writers, philosophers, and theobiologians Bayo Akomalofe and Sophie Strand.
This conversation is from a 2022 SAND Community Gathering. To hear the full conversation with Q&A from the live webinar you can view it here.
In Greek Mythology, the Titan Kronos eats an indigestible stone and vomits up the new Olympic pantheon of gods. In our current time, people planted in stratigraphic layers of shared trauma find themselves uniquely ill – physically and mentally. We are unable to digest food and unable to digest violence. What if indigestion – practical and mythical – was a sign that a new world was threatening to be born? The very basis of our nucleated cells is an ancient botched bacterial cannibalism. What if our inability to digest certain injustices was an invitation to vomit up a new pantheon? And in an age when we are all threaded through with microplastics and blood pressure stabilizers, what does it mean to start to physically grow into new shapes around incursions we cannot properly assimilate or expel?
Bayo Akomolafe (Ph.D.), rooted with the Yoruba people in a more-than-human world, is the father to Alethea and Kyah, the grateful life-partner to Ije, son and brother. A widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of two books, These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home (North Atlantic Books) and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak, Bayo Akomolafe is the Founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online postactivist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California and University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. He sits on the Board of many organizations including Science and Non-Duality (US) and Ancient Futures (Australia). In July 2022, Dr. Akomolafe was appointed the inaugural Global Senior Fellow of University of California’s (Berkeley) Othering and Belonging Institute. He has also been appointed Senior Fellow for The New Institute in Hamburg, Germany. He is the recipient of the New Thought Leadership Award 2021 and the Excellence in Ethnocultural Psychotherapy Award by the African Mental Health Summit 2022.
Sophie Strand is a writer based in the Hudson Valley who focuses on the intersection of spirituality, storytelling, and ecology. Yet it would probably be more authentic to call her a neo-troubadour animist with a propensity to spin yarns that inevitably turn into love stories. Give her a salamander and a stone and she’ll write you a love story. Sophie was raised by house cats, puff balls, possums, raccoons, and an opinionated, crippled goose. She believes strongly that all thinking happens interstitially – between beings, ideas, differences, mythical gradients.
She is the author of The Flowering Wand: Rewilding the Sacred Masculine and The Madonna Secret. She is also finishing a collection of essays about navigating an incurable genetic disease and early trauma through ecological storytelling.
You can subscribe to her newsletter at sophiestrand.substack.com, and follow her work on Instagram: @cosmogyny and at www.sophiestrand.com.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
01:35 Introducing Dr. Bayo Akomolafe
04:11 Introducing Sophie Strand
06:35 Starting the Conversation: New Gods in Challenging Times
13:54 Exploring Mispronunciation and Evolution
27:27 Animist Perspectives on Trauma
28:17 Healing in Yoruba Culture
30:29 Bioelectric Signals and Embryogenesis
35:40 The Role of Trickster Gods
38:26 Invasive Species and Ecosystem Dynamics
47:25 Disability as an Invitation to Community
55:32 Concluding Thoughts on New Gods
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Oct 4, 2022 • 60min
Healing Trauma and Spiritual Growth: Thomas Hübl, Peter Levine and Zaya Benazzo
From SAND 18 with Peter Levine, the father of trauma therapy work, and Thomas Huebl, a spiritual teacher known for his work integrating healing of collective trauma, discussing the relationship between healing trauma and spiritual growth. One theme that repeats throughout the discussion is that we are all connected through the traumatization of the world and that the healing of trauma is a way of returning to the wholeness and fullness of living.
This talk was hosted by SAND co-founder Zaya Benazzo.
In the episode they discuss
Bliss states
Holding lightness and darkness
Nonduality of existence
State and process awareness
Meeting Albert Einstein
Waves of Trauma healing
Free Will
Collective Trauma Processing
Apologies for a few audio issues with this live recording. Hopefully, you can listen past that to the content of what they are offering!
And you’ll hear there’s QA from the audience at the end.
Peter Levine, Ph. D. is the founder and pioneer of Somatic Experiencing® (SE®)and has made it his life-time's work to continue developing it. He holds doctorates in both Medical Biophysics and Psychology. Peter's work led him to become a stress consultant for NASA during the development of the Space Shuttle.
somaticexperiencing.com
Thomas Hübl is a contemporary mystic, international spiritual teacher, and author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds (2020), whose work seeks to integrate the core insights of the great wisdom traditions with the discoveries of modern science.
thomashuebl.com
And Zaya Benazzo is a filmmaker, producer, activist, and co-founder of SAND.
Science and Nonduality is a community inspired by timeless wisdom, informed by cutting-edge science, and grounded in direct experience. We come together in an open-hearted exploration while celebrating our humanity.
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Sep 28, 2022 • 59min
#4 Entering the Bardo: Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Today on the podcast a profound yet light and sometimes funny conversation with Tibetan meditation master and teacher Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche. This conversation is from SAND's Dying and Living online summit.
In the conversation, Tenzin and SAND's founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo delve into such topics as
Fear of Death in our Western Culture
Death as a teacher of being in control
The Bön and Vajrayana schools of Buddhism
The concept of detachment and not-self
The Bardo in death, but also in sleep.
Dream Yoga.
Dying and living consciously
What is Rebirth
Grief, Parenting, and the wisdom of Dzogchen and the Sutras.
Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche is the founder and spiritual director of Ligmincha International. He is a respected and beloved teacher and meditation master in the Bön Buddhist tradition of Tibet. He has students in more than 25 countries, teaches around the world, and reaches thousands of students through his online programs.
Trained as a Bön monk, Rinpoche now lives as a householder, allowing him to more fully relate to the needs and concerns of his students. Known for the depth of his wisdom and his unshakeable commitment to helping students recognize their true nature, he is the author of many books and online courses.
ligmincha.org
Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo who conduct this conversation are the co-founders of Science and Nonduality, filmmakers, activists, and facilitators of conversations at the frontiers of consciousness.
Science and Nonduality is a community inspired by timeless wisdom, informed by cutting-edge science, and grounded in direct experience. We come together in an open-hearted exploration while celebrating our humanity.
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Sep 20, 2022 • 1h 18min
#3 The Future of Love: Esther Perel
In this magnificent talk from the SAND 2018 Radiant Intimacy gathering,Esther Perel offers fresh insights into
Expectations
Negotiations
Intimacy
Motherhood
Turn-ons and turn-offs
The coming and going of love and eroticism.
She concludes with answers to a series of questions from the audience, which confirm her reputation as one of the most brilliant and original authorities in the natural history of relationships.
So we hope you enjoy this foray into an important and ever-evolving topic we explore at Science and Nonduality – the nature of love and relationships.
Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author Esther Perel is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Learn more at EstherPerel.com or by following @EstherPerelOfficial on Instagram.scienceandnonduality.com/podcast
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Sep 14, 2022 • 60min
#2 Wisdom in Death and Dying: Stephen Jenkinson
Stephen Jenkinson discusses the meaning of death in a death-phobic culture and differences between death cultures worldwide. He shares insights on euthanasia and offers original music at the end of the episode. The conversation explores cultural attitudes towards death, colonial influences, and the importance of embracing mortality with gratitude. Listen for a poetic reflection on life and self-discovery.
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Sep 6, 2022 • 1h 10min
#1 Emotional and Spiritual Maturity: Gabor Maté and Adyashanti
In a rare meeting of minds, Gabor Mate asks Adyashanti explore whether there is a predilection for spirituality and expand on passages from Adyashanti’s recent book My Secret Is Silence.
Discussion topics in this episode:
The influence of trauma on the spiritual path
The need for specialists help
Spiritual bypassing
The power of silence
The relationship between spiritual insight and emotional growth
In a rare meeting of minds, Dr. Gabor Maté asks Adyashanti explore whether there is a predilection for spirituality and expand on passages from Adyashanti’s recent book My Secret Is Silence
Discussion topics in this episode:
The influence of trauma on the spiritual path
The need for specialists help
Spiritual bypassing
The relationship between spiritual insight and emotional growth.
Dr. Gabor Maté
Rather than offering quick-fix solutions to these complex issues, Dr. Maté weaves together scientific research, case histories, and his own insights and experience to present a broad perspective that enlightens and empowers people to promote their own healing and that of those around them.
After 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience, Dr. Maté worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness. The bestselling author of four books published in over thirty languages, Gabor is an internationally renowned speaker highly sought after for his expertise on addiction, trauma, childhood development, and the relationship of stress and illness. His book on addiction received the Hubert Evans Prize for literary non-fiction. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. His books include In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters With Addiction; When the Body Says No; The Cost of Hidden Stress; Scattered Minds: The Origins and Healing of Attention Deficit Disorder; and (with Dr. Gordon Neufeld) Hold on to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers. His next book, The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness & Healing in a Toxic Culture is due out on September 13, 2022. His second next book, Hello Again: A Fresh Start for Parents and Their Adult Children is expected in 2023. Gabor is also co-developer of a therapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by hundreds of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others internationally. More on his books and programs can be found here. https://drgabormate.com
Dr. Gabor Maté
Adyashanti (whose name means “primordial peace”) is an American-born spiritual teacher who has been teaching for 26 years. His teachings include evening meetings, weekend intensives, silent retreats, live internet broadcasts, and online courses. He has taught throughout the US and also in Canada, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, and Australia. More than 30,000 people in 120 countries are connected to his website through free email subscription. He is the author of eleven books. https://www.adyashanti.org.
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