

Deseret Voices
Deseret News
Welcome to Deseret Voices, a weekly podcast from the Deseret News (https://deseret.com) that brings depth, nuance and respect to conversations about today’s complex topics and current events. Join our hosts, award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, every Thursday as they go beyond news headlines by talking with newsmakers and thought leaders to find common ground and uncover unique perspectives on today’s critical issues in politics, faith, sports, and more.
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Mar 9, 2026 • 39min
Regime Change in Iran: Is American Dominance Our Only Hope?
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," host McKay Coppins sits down with Washington Post columnist Shadi Hamid to dissect the escalating conflict with Iran and the controversial pursuit of regime change. Following the seismic military strikes that claimed the life of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Hamid — author of the provocative new book “The Case for American Power” — explores the moral and strategic contradictions of U.S. intervention in foreign countries. Drawing on his unique perspective as an American Muslim, Hamid traces his personal journey toward reluctantly embracing American dominance as the world's "best hope" against rising authoritarianism in China and Russia.
Key topics discussed in this episode:
The Death of Khamenei: Why the Trump administration targeted the Iranian leader and the unpredictable consequences for regional stability.
Democracy vs. Autocracy: The core argument for why American hegemony, despite its deep flaws, remains a moral necessity.
The "Day After" Problem: Critiquing the lack of a stabilization plan for a post-regime Iran.
The Israel Factor: Assessing the influence of regional allies on U.S. military decision-making.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).

Mar 3, 2026 • 20min
AJ Dybantsa Exclusive: Why the No. 1 NBA Prospect Might Delay Going to the NBA
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," host McKay Coppins sits down with AJ Dybantsa, the 6-foot-9 phenom who has taken college basketball by storm. While the rest of the sports world has already labeled him the consensus projected No. 1 overall pick, AJ reveals a bombshell in this conversation: He might not be ready to leave BYU.
Driven by a promise to his mother to prioritize his education and earn a degree, the most coveted amateur player in the world explains why he is weighing a return to Provo for another season.
In this episode, we discuss:
The Exclusive Revelation: For the first time, AJ discusses the possibility of bypassing the 2026 NBA draft to stay at BYU.
The "Maniac" Mindset: Why AJ admits he "hates losing more than he loves winning" and how that ferocity translates to his 25.1 ppg national scoring lead.
Pro-Level Mentorship: AJ opens up about his competitive relationship with Russell Westbrook and the advice he’s received from stars like Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.
Championship or Bust: Why individual accolades mean nothing to him without a deep March Madness run for the Cougars.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).

Mar 2, 2026 • 26min
Elizabeth Smart: The Power of Her Story
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," Deseret News reporter Lottie Elizabeth Johnson sits down with advocate and survivor Elizabeth Smart to discuss her journey of reclaiming her narrative through the 2026 Netflix documentary “Kidnapped: Elizabeth Smart.” Smart reflects on the transition from the "mental chains" of her 2002 abduction to the "triumphant" feeling of finally shining a light on her captors' secrets. The conversation explores the healing process, the importance of being believed, and Smart’s mission to provide personal safety training through her Smart Defense program at Utah universities.
Beyond the headlines, Smart shares heartfelt advice for parents on teaching body autonomy and unconditional love to the next generation. Join us for a powerful look at resilience, the gift of choice, and why Smart is most proud of the happy life she has built today.
If today’s conversation moved you, please consider sharing this episode with a friend or a parent who might need to hear Smart’s message. You can also follow us on social media for more highlights from the interview. If you want to support Smart’s mission directly, visit the Elizabeth Smart Foundation website to learn more about their advocacy and safety programs. Lastly, if you are a survivor in need of support, please refer to the resources listed in our show notes. You are not alone, and your value is unshakable.
Resources & Links
The Elizabeth Smart Foundation: The official site for Elizabeth’s advocacy work, including the Smart Defense program.
Link: https://www.elizabethsmartfoundation.org/
RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network): The nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization.
National Sexual Assault Hotline: 800-656-HOPE
Smart Defense Training: Information on the accredited self-defense courses available at Utah public universities.
Link: https://www.elizabethsmartfoundation.org/smart-defense
Elizabeth Smart’s YouTube Channel: Watch the video series where Elizabeth revisits Dry Creek Canyon and discusses the "mental chains" of trauma.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/@elizabethsmartchannel
Learn more about the documentary Elizabeth Smart: Finding Justice.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).

Feb 26, 2026 • 35min
The Art of Civil Discourse: Lessons from Robert P. George and Cornel West
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," guest host Sarah Jane Weaver, editor of the Deseret News, speaks with esteemed scholars Robert P. George and Dr. Cornel West about their unique friendship and shared commitment to intellectual and moral exploration. Despite their differing ideologies, George and West exemplify how friendship can thrive on mutual respect and love for deep truths. They discuss the importance of transcendence, intellectual curiosity, and the distinction between career and vocation. The conversation touches on pivotal topics such as the significance of character in society, the true essence of education, and the enduring values worth nurturing among younger generations. Through their animated discussion, they model how civil discourse and love can bridge differences in today's polarized world.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).

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Feb 19, 2026 • 42min
Elder Clark G. Gilbert on Conviction, Controversy, and Compassion
Elder Clark G. Gilbert, an apostle and former academic and education leader, reflects on transitioning from academia to full-time ministry. He discusses receiving his call, handling criticism in media, balancing truth with compassion, and guiding youth amid polarization. He also speaks about global Church growth and the role of education in strengthening faith.

Feb 12, 2026 • 51min
America’s Global Reputation
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," McKay Coppins sits down to interview Jeff Flake, a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey and ex-senator, for an insightful discussion on America’s role in global politics. Flake shares firsthand experiences as an American diplomat, offering listeners a rare glimpse into the thoughts and concerns of international leaders regarding U.S. politics. They discuss the implications of shifting global leadership dynamics and how America's policies under different administrations have evolved, influencing the international stage.
Dive deep into critical topics such as NATO’s challenges in 2026 and the transformation within the GOP, particularly the rise of populism and its impact on foreign policy. Flake provides a unique perspective on the necessity of American soft power and diplomacy in navigating global challenges. Whether you're interested in international relations, political strategy, or just want to understand how other countries view America, this episode promises engaging insights and thoughtful discussion. Tune in to uncover why maintaining robust global relationships is paramount for America's future.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).

Feb 5, 2026 • 30min
Championing the Future: Catherine Raney Norman's Olympic Mission
In this episode of "Deseret Voices," guest host Sheri Dew, Executive Vice President of Deseret Management Corporation, sits down with Catherine Raney Norman, a four-time Olympian and current vice president of Development and Athlete Relations for the 2034 Winter Games in Utah. Catherine shares her inspiring journey from a young speedskater to an influential advocate for athletes, detailing how her Olympic experiences have shaped her life and career.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).

Jan 29, 2026 • 39min
Immigration Unmasked: Understanding Trump's Immigration Policy
Bitter debate and violent confrontations continue to fracture the United States as American's polarized and complicated view of immigration war wages at the borders and in our streets.
Alarming reports and videos are coming out of centers of protests and division, including the recent deadly shooting of a Minneapolis man by Border Patrol; the third shooting and second death since federal officers have faced protesters in that midwestern city.
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Caitlin Dickerson of The Atlantic joins host McKay Coppins to discuss this boiling battle, how we got here, and what is the Trump administration's end game on this domestic warfront?
Deseret Voices is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the Deseret Voices podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
Deseret Voices is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of Deseret Voices drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret)

Jan 22, 2026 • 33min
Affording a Family: The two-income shift
In a compelling discussion, Brad Wilcox, a family demography expert and director at the National Marriage Project, tackles the affordability crisis facing families today. He highlights the stark contrast between the 1950s single-earner model and today's dual-income struggles. Wilcox shares insights on how rising living costs and policy inefficiencies make child-rearing increasingly challenging. He advocates for targeted support like child tax credits and emphasizes the need for affordable housing solutions to sustain family life in America.

Jan 15, 2026 • 47min
Harry Reid’s Legacy: Fighter or Ruthless Politician?
On this episode of "Deseret Voices," host McKay Coppins delves into the extraordinary life and legacy of Sen. Harry Reid, lawyer and former Majority Leader of the US Senate. In a conversation with Jon Ralston, author of “The Game Changer,” a new political biography about Reid, we discover how Reid rose from his humble beginnings in Searchlight, Nevada, to become one of the most influential political figures in America. Ralston gives an unmatched look at Reid's indomitable spirit, strategic prowess, and how he reshaped the Democratic party, leaving a lasting impact on American politics. He shares insights into Reid's controversial decisions, including invoking the nuclear option and his memorable entanglements with fellow Latter-day Saint Mitt Romney.
“Deseret Voices” is hosted by award-winning journalists McKay Coppins and Jane Clayson Johnson, who go beyond the headlines to explore the stories, people, and ideas shaping our world today. Through thoughtful, in-depth conversations, the “Deseret Voices” podcast brings clarity and common ground to the complex issues defining our time.
“Deseret Voices” is a Deseret News podcast, produced by Keira Farrimond, Creative Director - Video & Podcasts.
Episodes of “Deseret Voices” drop every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. Follow along and join the conversation on YouTube (@deseretnews), Instagram (@deseretnews), Facebook (@deseretnews) and X (@deseret).


