Kerre Woodham Mornings Podcast

A new report from the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists says the health of New Zealanders is declining.  It showed working age people reporting excellent health almost halved between 2011 and 2024, while psychological distress had increased among all adults.  The report called on the government to address and reverse the decline by investing in housing, poverty reduction, education, improved nutrition and physical activity, as well as a stronger commitment to addressing the impact of tobacco, alcohol and unhealthy food.  Hutt Hospital ED Specialist Dr Tanya Wilton told Kerre Woodham she sees people who have struggled to obtain adequate income, housing, and security, and it’s harder to eat and stay healthy when you don’t have the money to do so.   She says you can’t get away from those social determinants of health in terms of those key areas.  Tauranga-based Psychologist Mark Lawrence told Woodham that when it comes to psychological distress, the biggest challenge is a lack of extensive long-term investment to addressing societal stressors.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A new report says the health of New Zealanders is declining, and that it's costing us dearly- in the billions of dollars with more billions to come. The report, released by the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists showed working-age people who reported they were in excellent health almost halved between 2011 and 2024, while psychological distress had increased amongst all adults. The report called on the government to address and reverse the decline by investing in housing and poverty reduction and education, improved nutrition, physical activity, as well as a stronger commitment to addressing the impact of tobacco, alcohol, and unhealthy food. If the trend continues, the report estimates that only 6.6% of adults will be in excellent health, while almost 20% would be in fair or poor health. How can this be so? What is the point of spending more on education when you know, and everybody knows, what we need to do to live a healthy life?  We have never been more aware of how to live a healthy life. We know how to do it. Whether we choose to do it is entirely another matter. Social media provides recipes for those who are on slim budgets. If you think, well, I don't know how to cook, there's Tik Tok and Instagram that will show you how to cook, or YouTube tutorials. If you say, "but I've only got this amount of money to spend on food", there are endless accounts that will show you what to do with meagre resources. You might not be able to afford the finest organic meats, most people can't. But there are ways of turning out nutritious food using the most basic ingredients. There are free exercise programmes for any exercise you care to think of. You can even walk barefoot around the block. You don't need special exercise gear or gym memberships or to belong to a swimming club or a Taekwondo club or a basketball club. There are so many ways that you can move if you want to. Why would we spend more on physical activity when people are choosing not to?  There are accounts that you can follow for free to assist you in coping with the world. If you're suffering from anxiety, there's anti-addiction programmes. There has never been a time where people have been more open in discussing mental health issues, where there's been greater acceptance of people who are struggling with mental health issues, where mental health days are a matter of course.  How can we be declining? How can you not know what is good for you and how you can improve your mental health and your physical health? Whether you want to or not is another matter.  I'm not pointing the finger, I'm looking at myself in the mirror. I knew the amount I was drinking wasn't healthy for me, but I did it anyway, until I stopped. Until I thought, no this can't go on. This is silly. You're fat, you're unhealthy, you're falling over, broke a bone, enough. And so you stop. But you do it until you don't.  I cannot believe that the kids that are going into the dairies before school that I used to see on my commute, who were buying the virulently coloured soft drink and the pie for breakfast, I cannot believe that they did not know that was an unhealthy breakfast. They know it's unhealthy, but they choose to do it.   You could throw all the money in the world at education programmes. Until people decide they're worth more, they deserve more in their life. They are the ones, individuals are the ones who have to decide for themselves that they deserve better in life, that they deserve to look after their bodies.  And I don't know how you do that. I would love to hear from you on this. Is there anybody in the world that doesn't know how to live a healthy life? It's all a matter of choice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When I heard the Green Party co-leaders were holding a press conference yesterday, I thought fleetingly, ever the optimist, "Oh, they might be holding a press conference calling for the cessation of protests outside the home of a fellow parliamentarian."   Undoubtedly they'd couch it in greeny language – they would call out the Foreign Affairs Minister for his lack of courage at the UN, etc, etc, but ultimately they would make the point that protesting in a personal sphere is wrong, and they would call off the hounds and remind people that yes, we have a right to protest, but with that right comes responsibility and it is quite clearly irresponsible to make the attacks personal and bring the protest to the door of an MP's home. That's what I thought, fleetingly. But no, nothing of the sort.   In fact, it was a PR stunt for the flotilla to Palestine. No mention was made of the protesters outside Winston Peters' home. In fact, one of them was alongside the Green co-party leaders. Chlöe Swarbrick lectured us again about our responsibility to ensure the safety of the three New Zealand citizens detained by the Israeli government after the flotilla was intercepted, and that was that. A bit of tearful beseeching of the government to do something. Love for the detainees, and that was about it.   Can you imagine what would happen if Groundswell decided to protest Green policies, and they decided to take that protest to the door of Marama Davidson's home or Chlöe Swarbrick's home? I would be absolutely appalled, and I would demand they be arrested or leave immediately. There is absolutely no excuse for it. You might disagree vehemently with policies, you might think you have moral, intellectual, scientific right on your side, on the side of whatever argument you're putting forward, but there are standards and there are limits and there are boundaries.   The lot outside Winston's house, you're perfectly entitled to hold a point of view. You may well feel that you're on the right side of history. That does not give you carte blanche to invade a man's home, and that's exactly what you're doing, and that of his neighbours. The noise invading somebody's home. You know, if you have had really ugly neighbours who have made your life hell because of the noise they're making, It's an invasion. So too is the bloody rock through the window.   If anybody thinks that the new legislation around protests at people's homes is going to provide any protection at all for public figures, for anybody, think again. The bill is before the Justice Select Committee. Submissions on it closed yesterday, but critics say it's way too vague to do much good. Constitutional law expert Graeme Edgeler said as much to Mike Hosking this morning.   “There are offences which deal with this already. And I, my suspicion is that the new offence, that the draft, at least at the moment, is so complex, perhaps so difficult to prove, you know, was that the reason they're doing that? Was it, you know, just all the difficulties in proving it, that police may just continue to use the criminal offences that already exist, which kind of have the similar penalties.   “And when people aren't sure what's covered and it's a criminal offence, courts tend to err on the side of, well, if you wanted to make this clearly legal, you'd have done a better job of writing it. So if it's not clear, you tend to favour on the side of the criminal for criminal cases. And so, hopefully the government can sort of narrow this and fix it to cover exactly what it is they want. I mean, it's sort of protests near residential areas. I mean, Queen Street's got massive apartment buildings on it – are those residential areas and no protests down Queen Street? I mean, no one's going to apply the law that way. The police aren't going to apply that law that way. The courts aren't going to apply the law that way. And so it’s really going to do much of anything.”  No, it's not. So we're going to have to rely on existing laws to give people a measure of protection in their own homes. That and inculcating a sense of decency and fair play.   If anyone attempted to disturb or frighten or harass the Green Party co-leaders and members of their families in their own homes, it would be absolutely inexcusable. The Green Party co-leaders have pointed out how inexcusable the internet trolling and the abuses of their MPs, and indeed of other women MPs, but mainly theirs, but women MPs, non-gender specific MPs, they are absolutely ropeable about the level of vitriol and harassment and violent language being used against MPs on social media. What difference is it being outside somebody's home?   Absolutely no difference whatsoever. They are the first to point the digeridoo at people who have a different point of view and express it vocally and violently, and rightly so. Nobody should be subject to that. They want the police protection, they demand the people have a right to be safe and secure in their workplaces and to be able to do their jobs. What the hell do they think these people are doing? Their internet trolls come to life and on the backyard of the home of a fellow parliamentarian.   It would be absolutely inexcusable if they were experiencing the same thing from those who had a different political viewpoint. The weight of the law should come down upon any protesters who did that to them, and to these righteous, sanctimonious vandals outside Winston Peters' house. Any point they are trying to make is being drowned out by their own noise. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the face of it, it seems tough. Telling young people to get out there and get a job when the economy is tanked and unemployment is high, is you'd think, unrealistic. From November of next year, young people wanting to get job seeker support or the equivalent emergency benefit will have to take a parental income test to see whether their parents can support them instead of the taxpayer.  About 4,300 18 and 19-year-olds were estimated to become ineligible for support, with 4,700 remaining eligible in the 27-28 financial year. As I said, this kicks in from November of next year, so from 2026. As of June, there were just over 15,000 18 and 19-year-olds on job seeker support.  It's a lot of young kids. There is no doubt it is difficult right now for young people to find work, to be taken on as apprentices. When the economy contracts, young people tend to be the first laid off, having fewer skills and less work experience. Last on, first off kind of thing. As well, they can be in casual or part-time employment, jobs that are more easily dispensed with.  But of course, look beyond the headlines. They're not being told to go out and find a job in a really tight labour market. They have to find a job, they have to be studying, or they have to be training. They have three options. What they can't be, according to this government and the Prime Minister, is reliant on the taxpayer.  The bigger issue here is we're trying to reset expectations with young people that you just can't partially attend school and then just drift on into unemployment benefit. And it is a bit of a reset for under 25s to say, I'm sorry, you're expected to get connected with work or employment or training or education.   $65,000, where do you why how do you land on that?  It's basically the income cut-out point for the supported living payment. And so it basically says if you're coming from very low-income families, we're exempting you. But we know it's quite low, but the reality is it puts the pressure back on parents to say get those young people into work or education.  That was Chrisopher Luxon, Prime Minister, talking to Mike Hosking this morning on the Mike Hosking Breakfast. A youth worker who was spoken to in relation to the story, to the announcement, said, and I quote, "I've never met a young person that doesn't want to find work." Really? You need to get out more. I think the vast majority of young people do want to work. They want to study, they want to train to be able to work so that they can become self-determining, to stand on their own two feet. Not all of them. We have had young people say as much on this show. Nature boy, anyone?   And you'd have to wonder about Barbecue Man, whether his children are fine upstanding productive citizens, because generally welfare dependency leads to welfare dependency and further down the generations it goes. There are fantastic stories of young people who were struggling, who got the kick up the bum they needed and managed to achieve beyond their wildest expectations.  One of the owners of a New World supermarket started life as a trolley boy in Whakatāne when his mum said, "If you're not going to go to school, you are getting a job. You are not staying under my roof and not contributing." "Oh, I can't find an apprenticeship." Well, get any job, she said. And he started life as a trolley boy. And one thing led to another. He discovered not only did he actually like work, he was actually productive and respected by his peers, he was really good at it, to the extent that he ended up owning his own supermarket.  And I could not agree more with Rod Bell, Chief Operating Officer for Blue Light, who spoke to Mike too this morning.  The big danger is if a young person starts down the track where a benefit becomes part of their life, as the stat shows, that they end up probably at least a minimum of 18 years of their life on the benefit.  That's amazing.   Yeah, we want to break that. You break that once and you've actually paid then probably for 20 people. So financially it makes a huge sense, but for anybody, they want to have worth and worth is doing something positive and proactive, whether it's work or training or education is what will make people feel better about themselves and make a difference to the young people.  Absolutely. And it's that stat that's really really hard to read that if you are a kid that goes straight onto a benefit out of school that you might have been attending haphazardly, you've got no habit of getting up and being somewhere presentable, ready to go, because you haven't been attending school. It's been a very haphazard, spotty, patchy attendance record.  The number of people I've spoken to in the Far North who want to give young people jobs to the extent that they kit them out in the clothing they'll need for the job, they'll drive to their house, they will get them out of bed, get them into the shower them, get them into the van, take them into work, pay well above minimum wage, and the kids don't last a week. I haven't heard of one success story. This is only anecdotal, but not one success story in the Far North. It didn't used to be like this.  If you come from a family where work is what's expected of you, then you work. I could no more have imagined going on the DPB than flying to the moon.  When I found myself pregnant, I wasn't unable to work, I was just pregnant. When I had the baby, I worked. You know, it's tough and it's it's tough for two parents and it's tough for one parent, and not everybody can, but I worked because the idea of not working is completely alien to who I am and where I've come from.  But for people who think that it's actually legitimately okay to leave school or sort of drift away from school, I don't think it's anything quite so dramatic as leaving school, and not do anything, not study, not train, not volunteer, not work, that's come from somewhere.  And you have to take a long hard look in the mirror if you've got kids that think they can go onto a DPB or onto a benefit and that's the level of their aspiration.  LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I've always thought that if you want to change the system, if you feel that the system, whatever it might be, doesn't work for you, the best way is to change it from within. When you live in a democracy, that is one of the beauties of a democracy. You don't have to riot in the streets, you don't have to depose tyrannical dictators, you can use the ballot box to effect change.   You can also enter the system and change it from within. But only if you take the time to learn how the system works, and only if you're prepared to settle for incremental change rather than spectacular seismic show-stopping change.   Plenty of people think they can go into Parliament and make a real difference and retire hurt, basically, realising that the system is too big for them to grapple with, that they're not best suited for Parliament. That's across all parties. I remember my own former colleague, Pam Corkery, entered Parliament with the Alliance Party, thinking instead of talking about making change, she'd enter Parliament and try and make the change from within. But she was frustrated – the system stymied her. You’ve seen it with New Zealand First, you've seen it with National, you've seen it with Labour.   And as Eru Kapa-Kingi has pointed out, activism and politics are completely different beasts. Kapa-Kingi is the driving force behind the protest movement Toitū Te Tiriti, largely responsible for last year's nationwide hikoi to Parliament that drew tens of thousands of protesters. Yesterday, the movement announced it was distancing itself from Te Pāti Māori.   Eru Kapa-Kingi, he's the son of Te Pāti Māori MP Mariameno Kapa-Kingi and a former party vice president, said yesterday that Toitū Te Tiriti was not a lobby group for the Māori Party. He went further, claiming Te Pāti Māori had a problematic leadership style, which amounted to effectively, he said, a dictatorship model, as reported by Te Ao Māori News.   I thought Te Ururoa Flavell spoke really well this morning on the Mike Hosking Breakfast, outlining the problem with activists entering Parliament to advance their goals.   “I mean, the statement that he's made is politicians need to stop being activists and activists need to stop being politicians, which I think is a fair call. So and in that regard, trying to separate out the movement that he set up, Toitū Te Tiriti, he said that's their focus around the obligations to the Treaty of Waitangi and keeping those at the forefront of the New Zealand society. And then the second part of course is what is the point of a political movement in Parliament and how can they best achieve goals for the best interests of the nation.”    Right now, Te Pāti Māori are incompetent and impotent politically. They have their core base of voters, much the same as the Greens. The Greens, it's hard to see how effective they could be in Parliament as part of a government.   Dame Tariana Turia's Te Pāti Māori was not an impotent political force. Dame Turia understood how politics worked. She entered Parliament on the Labour ticket but resigned in 2004 over the Foreshore and Seabed Bill to set up the Māori Party, Te Pāti Māori. She understood politics, she understood the importance of compromise.   As the Spinoff said in her obituary, an architect of Whanau Ora and Smoke-free Aotearoa, Turia's legacy is one that belies a waning art in politics, knowing when to compromise and how to make it count. In no way was she a sell-out. She stayed true to her own beliefs, she stayed true to acting as a voice for her people, but she knew how to work the system from within. She knew how to make the system work for her and the people she represented.   Labour would need the Greens and Te Pāti Māori to form a government based on current polling. Yesterday Labour leader Chris Hipkins said Te Pāti Māori looked like they're quite a long way away from being ready to play a constructive role in any future government.   And again, I'd say the Greens would struggle too. Since the former co-leader James Shaw left Parliament, and again, that was a man who understood how Parliament worked, how politics worked, the gentle and powerful art of compromise. But since he's left, there's been the sacking and/or resignation of four MPs —Elizabeth Kerekere, Darleen Tana, Golriz Ghahraman, and Benjamin Doyle— and the party's been distracted with issues advanced by activist MPs, like their anti-police stance. That takes a lot of time to deal with when they could be furthering what the party says it stands for, when they could be advancing the causes of their voters.    Again, like Te Pāti Māori, they have a core group of voters, people who can't imagine voting for anybody else, who would swallow a dead rat rather than vote for National or New Zealand First, who might reluctantly vote for Labour, but who are Greens through and through. But it's knowing how to use that power, knowing how to use the system, knowing how to use that voter base, that gets causes advanced. The shouting, the posturing, the activism doesn't work within the system. If you want to effect change, you have to know how the system works, and you have to know how to play it. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kiwi businesses have been navigating the biggest economic turmoil in decades. Wherever you look, business leaders are making tough calls: staff cuts, putting payroll on the credit card, or worst case… closing the business altogether.   They thought they had it all: a great idea, solid marketing, and a healthy amount of capital.  So where did it all go wrong?  And can they ever turn things around?  In Bosses Unfiltered, Kerre Woodham, interviews prominent Kiwi businesspeople who’ve experienced failure and adversity and lets them tell their story. When did they realise their dreams weren’t coming true?  How big was their fall from grace?  How did they pick themselves up and where are they now?   Bosses Unfiltered tells the real story behind the headlines.  About what it’s really like being in business, in a raw and vulnerable way, while showing that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and that success can quite often come from failure. Listen to Bosses Unfiltered every Thursday morning from 11:30am during Kerre Woodham Mornings, and follow the podcast on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The firefighters union says workers don't want to strike, but Fire and Emergency needs to take their concerns seriously.   Professional firefighters will walk off the job for an hour at midday on October 17th –protesting pay, staffing, and ageing equipment.  The previous offer from Fire and Emergency was 5.1% over three years, made in June.  Further bargaining is set for the end of next week.  Professional Firefighters’ Union National Secretary Wattie Watson told Kerre Woodham in reality the offer would’ve been over five years, not three, as they haven’t had a pay rise since 2023, meaning it would actually be less than 5.1%.   She says it’s a sinking lid kind of scenario, the longer it takes to ratify the pay increase, the less it is.   LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

More than 11,500 allied health staff —the physios, the social workers, the health assistants— will strike on the 23rd of October, later this month. The same day as tens of thousands of primary school teachers and workers go on strike. And a week before, well, six days before, firefighters across New Zealand are set to strike over a dispute about pay and conditions (tell me there's a centre-right government in office without telling me). Although, bless, the firefighters are already striking for an hour because of public safety concerns.   New Zealand has about 13,500 firefighters – 2000 of the Professional Firefighters Union members are striking, and more than 11,000 volunteers, mostly in rural and smaller areas, will continue to support their communities and respond as needed.   We've covered a lot of the grievances of the health and education workers who are striking, but we haven't touched on the fireys – why are they striking? Thank you for asking, I can tell you. The NZPFU, the Professional Firefighters Union, said firefighters hadn't received a pay increase since July 2023. And they wanted progress in pay, staffing, and resources. They say the lack of staff, working excessive overtime, and the dire state of appliances are all factors in the level and intensity of mental health issues for members.   Furthermore, they say, Fire and Emergency New Zealand has refused to provide funding for health, well-being, and fitness activities, despite the wealth of evidence that demonstrates the link between healthy living and better mental health. I'm kind of with you on the pay and the appliances – paying for the Pilates memberships, not so much. Fire and Emergency and the Professional Firefighters Union had been negotiating since July 24. Fire and Emergency says the offer of a 5.1% pay increase over the next three years was sustainable, balances cost of living pressures being faced by individuals, alongside the fiscal pressure being faced by Fire and Emergency.   So, at the moment, everybody's grumpy. Everybody wants things to get better. Everybody's sick of doing it tough. Everybody wants more money. Block of cheese in the groceries would be nice once a week.   In the case of the firefighters, I think their complaints about the dire state of appliances is fair enough. You've got to have the equipment to do your job. And when you've got the kind of numptiness that they're facing, you can understand the exasperation. The country's newest fire trucks can't be used at rescues because they're too small to fit all the life-saving gear they need to carry. Shades of the Tasmanian ferry that was built that couldn't fit the terminal – doesn't need anybody to get the tape measure out first?   Firefighters say managers have even talked about cutting holes in them to make room for the gear. Fire and Emergency, in a massive piece of understatement, says yes, well, the situation's not ideal, but we're working on a solution.   Fire and Emergency spent millions of dollars and five years shipping the 28 medium-sized fire trucks to Britain to get them fitted out. They've now returned, and the two trial runs at packing gear on them last month did not go well. According to the firefighters who put the refitted appliances through their paces, the trucks would be a lot better than the existing trucks if all they were doing was pumping water. They're very good at pumping water – better than the old trucks. But 11 of the 28 trucks are meant to be rescue tenders equipped with a broad range of gear for fire rescues, car crashes, and storms.   Firefighters are so much more than firefighters. They are attending all sorts of rescues, and they need the equipment to keep members of the public safe and themselves safe. I do not think this is unreasonable. And imagine how much the person is paid who made the decision to send the fire appliances to Britain to get them fitted out, who didn't get the tape measure. You know, I'd be a bit brassed off if I was a firefighter too. On that alone, I'd say give the guys and girls a pay bump. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The state of central cities is a big issue as local body elections loom.  Both Wellington and Auckland’s CBDs are suffering, with the percentage of empty retail spaces jumping.   In Auckland, major retailers such as DFS Galleria and Smith & Caughey have left or closed their doors.  So how do you rejuvenate a city?   Leeann Watson, CEO of Business Canterbury, and Viv Beck, CEO of Heart of the City, joined Kerre Woodham to discuss the topic.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Well, a great deal of expectation and excitement. We all gathered around the wireless to listen to the 8am announcement about reform of our electricity and power sector and, wow, a lot of hullabaloo and hype over a meh kind of announcement.   This government has announced there is money to invest in critical energy infrastructure. Woot. Good to know. We used to criticise the previous government for its announcement of announcements, but by crikey, Nicola Willis has picked up that ball and she's run with it. There was a lot of talk in the press release and at the press conference – reliable and affordable energy is key to New Zealand's prosperity. Well, yeah. Energy powers every part of our economy. We know.   But what's happening right now is a gas shortage that is driving New Zealand manufacturers out of business. What's happening right now is that people are really struggling to pay power bills that go up year on year. And what have the Finance Minister and the Energy Minister told us? That they wish to correct the perception that the Government won't invest in the electricity sector. Cool. I thought exactly what Mike said this morning when he was talking to Simon Watts: why didn't you just ring the bosses at Genesis, Mercury, and Meridian and tell them the chequebook was open? Not hold a massive press conference to tell us really very little.   There was also an announcement that there's going to be a procurement process started for an LNG import facility, which may or may not be around in two years. Again, announcement of an announcement.   The only thing that really stands out for me looking at it is developing new rules to ensure the lack of dry year backup supply, which has a massive ongoing effect on the economy, doesn't happen again. But again, no detail on how that will happen or what energy source will be used as backup. Simon Watts was talking up the government's package on the Mike Hosking Breakfast this morning.   “We've got a pretty significant renewable pipeline. I don't doubt that. But am I seeing that flow through in terms of the price of energy? No. And that is what is hitting hard Kiwi households and Kiwi businesses. That's the issue that we need to deal with and this package of announcements and actions, taken as one, is some of the most significant bundle of energy market package announcements that we've seen in a long time. It's going to need to be seen as one package, not as individual parts, but together, we are confident that it'll make a significant impact.”  Really, Simon, is it so significant? If you're a manufacturer wondering how on earth you're going to stay in business given the lack of gas and the soaring cost of energy, what will this announcement do for you? If you're trying to juggle the family's household budget and looking at a power bill of $500 bucks, are you going to feel particularly grateful that Nicola Willis and Simon Watts have announced what?   According to Meridian, and we'll be talking to Meridian CEO a little later, it's bold. ‘We acknowledge the government's commitment to help the country move forward. It will add greater momentum to our development pipeline and building new generation’. But we know that with the fast tracking of resource consent.   This government really does need to stop being so underwhelming in terms of how they report to voters. They get excited about the dry policy wonk stuff and your average voter, not so much.   I like a lot of what they're doing. I really do. And if you think about it, you probably do too. I like the health targets. I like the focus of the new curriculum in the schools. I like the improvement in school attendance. I like the banning of gang patches, the fast tracking of projects, Chris Bishop's plan for improving housing supply. Compare that to the pie in the sky of 100,000 Kiwi Build homes. I like the refocusing of Kāinga Ora on its core job of providing homes for people who need them. There is a lot that I like.   But the thing is they score own goals with press conferences like this, with all the bells and whistles, that don't actually deliver anything of substance for the people who cast their votes.   The problem with the last government is they were all jazz hands and no substance, no delivery. I never thought I'd say this, but the problem with this lot is that they need a bit more stardust. They're solid, they're working hard. They have hard data on what is working policy-wise and what is not. But people just aren't feeling it. There aren't enough good vibes. We need more cowbell, baby, and we need it soon. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.