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Join us for thought provoking conversations on surveillance, digital privacy, and cybersecurity law and policy in the information age. Each week, hosts Dave Bittner and Ben Yelin break down the headlines, legal cases, and policy battles that matter most.
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Dec 23, 2020 • 44min
Interim cybersecurity compliance rule prior to CMMC with some privacy thrown in.
Ben covers a privacy story of California dealing with Uber, Dave's got the story of the FTC demanding information from social media companies, Listener on the Line Mitch has a throwback to an older episode's use of "weasel words," and later in the show, Dave's conversation with Michelle Litteken from Morris, Manning & Martin, LLP on an unexpected cybersecurity compliance rule that is forcing government contractors to act quickly.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Amazon, TikTok, Facebook, Others Ordered To Explain What They Do With User Data
California fines Uber $59 million, threatens license over refusal to hand over sexual assault data
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Dec 16, 2020 • 51min
We don't know what we need, until we do with facial recognition.
Ben looks at potential antitrust suits against Facebook, Dave looks at anti-hate speech laws in Germany that are serving as models for authoritarians around the world, our international LOTL asks about what the privacy of instant messaging platforms looks like in the US, and later in the show, Dave's conversation with Jennifer Strong, host of the new MIT Technology Review podcast, "In Machines We Trust."While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
State, federal authorities expected to file antitrust lawsuits against Facebook on Wednesday
Germany’s Online Crackdowns Inspire the World’s Dictators
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Dec 9, 2020 • 46min
A pandemic is a perfect environment for disinformation to thrive.
Ben looks at the US Supreme Court’s potential interpretations of the computer fraud and abuse act, Dave's got a report out of the UK on AI algorithm oversight, and later in the show, Dave's conversation with Nina Jankowicz, Disinformation Fellow from the Wilson Center on her book: How to Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News, and the Future of Conflict.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Argument analysis: Justices seem wary of breadth of federal computer fraud statute
The algorithms are watching us, but who is watching the algorithms?
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Dec 2, 2020 • 50min
Defining digital sovereignty: there's no such place as cyberspace.
Ben has the story of Amazon allegedly spying on warehouse workers, Dave has an overview of how cyber policy may play out in a Biden Administration, and later in the show Dave's conversation with Robert Carolina. He is general counsel for the Internet Systems Consortium, and a senior visiting fellow in the Information Security Group at the University of London. While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Secret Amazon Reports Expose the Company’s Surveillance of Labor and Environmental Groups
How cyber policy will evolve under Biden
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Nov 25, 2020 • 39min
Protecting the integrity of information and maintaining privacy.
Ben has an update on Baltimore’s spy plane, Dave wonders about the tension between free speech, disinformation and public health, and later in the show Dave's conversation with Laura Noren, NYU Visiting Professor of Data Science and VP of Privacy & Trust at Obsidian Security on who governs the cloud and what data protection regulations are actually enforceable.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Appeals court rules Baltimore “spy plane” does not violate privacy rights
Tweet Dave discusses
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Nov 18, 2020 • 39min
Playing into the hands of our adversaries.
Ben looks facial recognition technology being used on protesters, Dave's got the story of ICE and DHS buying up moment-by-moment mobile device location data, and later in the show Dave's conversation with Jamil Jaffer from IronNet Security.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Facial recognition used to identify Lafayette Square protester accused of assault
DHS Authorities Are Buying Moment-By-Moment Geolocation Cellphone Data To Track People
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Nov 11, 2020 • 5min
Elizabeth Wharton: Strong shoulders for someone else to stand on. [Legal] [Career Notes]
As we are not publishing in observance of Veterans Day, we thought you might like to check out an episode of our weekly Career Notes short form podcast that comes out on Sundays. Check it out and subscribe today! Technology attorney and startup chief of staff Elizabeth Wharton shares her experiences and how she came to work with companies in technology. Elizabeth talks about how she always liked solving problems and Nancy Drew mysteries, but not litigation. These morphed finding into her home in the policy legal world and some time later, technology law. Elizabeth describes how she loves planning and strategy in her work and encourages others to ask questions and absorb all of the information. Our thanks to Elizabeth for sharing her story with us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 4, 2020 • 45min
IoT device risk: can legislation keep up?
Dave wonders if Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg isn’t asking congress to throw him in the briar patch. Ben looks at the massive amount of data politicians gather on voters, our Listener on the Line came about when Dave was chatting with his pal Jason DeFillippo on Grumpy Old Geeks about facial recognition software, and later in the show, Dave has a conversation with Curtis Simpson, CISO at Armis, he shares his thoughts on some recent IoT legislative updates.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
How politicians target you: 3,000 data points on every voter, including your phone number
Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg calls for Section 230 reform, 'Congress should update the law'
Activists Turn Facial Recognition Tools Against the Police
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Oct 30, 2020 • 3min
The Malware Mash!
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Oct 28, 2020 • 46min
The tools have changed, but the tactics have remained basically the same.
Dave a story about the US Department of Justice bringing antitrust charges against Google, Ben looks at the increased use of phone cracking tools by law enforcement, and later in the show, Dave talks with Morgan Wright, chief security advisor at SentinelOne, former Senior Law Enforcement Advisor for the 2012 Republican National Convention and Senior Advisor in the US State Department Antiterrorism Assistance Program.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
U.S. Accuses Google of Illegally Protecting Monopoly
The Police Can Probably Break Into Your Phone
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