

The Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy
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Helping therapists on their leading edge of learning so they can help clients on their leading edge of healing. In each episode, we try to focus on parts/moments of the counseling experience through the lens of Emotionally Focused Therapy, developed by Sue Johnson. We share how we are being pushed in our growth process and things we are learning from our clients in their growth process. We are also thankful for the many EFTSupervisors and Trainers who share their learning nuggets with us to pass on to you. We invite you into a brave space as we all push our leading edges of learning and healing.
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Sep 17, 2025 • 31min
125. Stage 2 Series: Accessing and Sharing the Negative View of Self-Important Component of Restructuring the Bond
They explore accessing and sharing deeply held negative self-views and why those beliefs resist connection. The conversation outlines careful, slow techniques to surface core identity messages and origin stories. There is focus on enactments, partner responses that offer solace, and avoiding quick fixes while creating space for acceptance and gradual change.

Sep 3, 2025 • 33min
124. Stage 2 Series: 16 Stones-How Deep is Deep Enough-Hovering in Stage 2, Step 5
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
In this episode of "Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy", Dr. James Hawkins and Dr. Ryan Rana dive deep into Stage Two therapy, exploring the critical question: "How deep is deep enough?" They discuss the nuanced process of helping couples explore painful emotional experiences and turn over metaphorical "stones" of past trauma and attachment injuries. Top Points:
Stage Two Depth Requires Repetition
Re-engagement for withdrawers typically takes 3-9 sessions
Therapists must repeatedly explore painful experiences
Build momentum from session to session
Key Stage Two Strategies
Enter difficult conversations from a positive foundation
Use scene-setting techniques to evoke deeper emotions
Convert individual pain into co-regulation opportunities
Exploring "Stones" (Painful Experiences)
Look for deepest fears
Uncover negative self-views
Explore barriers to seeking comfort
Address attachment injuries, trauma, marginalization experiences
Critical Therapeutic Approach
Walk with clients through their emotional "basement"
Help clients build confidence in facing difficult memories
Ensure partners can provide comfort in vulnerable moments
Create "experiential bridges" for future emotional support
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Aug 27, 2025 • 28min
123. Stage 2 Series: Step 5-The D.A.Ms We Believe
Dive into the powerful concepts of Deadly Attachment Messages (DAMs) in therapeutic work. Learn how these painful beliefs shape protective behaviors in relationships. Explore methods to help clients confront their deepest fears through immersive techniques. Understand the transformative role of the therapist's presence in guiding clients to navigate their emotional darkness. Tune in for practical tips that empower professionals to deepen their practice and foster genuine connections.

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Aug 19, 2025 • 41min
122. Stage 2 Series: Building the Bridge Into Stage 2
Dive into the intricacies of transitioning clients from stage one to stage two of emotionally focused therapy. Discover the importance of creating a safe environment and the unique characteristics of stage two, including pacing and intimacy. The hosts share practical strategies, from informed consent to session-by-session orientations. Using sports metaphors, they illustrate the concept of training emotional 'muscles.' Explore real-world examples of how vulnerability work unfolds, ensuring clients feel secure throughout their journey.

Jul 30, 2025 • 31min
121. Special Contributor George Faller: Pivoting with Purpose: Navigating Openness in EFT
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
Join Dr. James Hawkins, Dr. Ryan Rana, and special guest George Faller as they dive deep into the art of therapeutic pivoting. Discover how skilled therapists navigate moments of client openness, transform interventions, and create powerful therapeutic breakthroughs beyond traditional block management. Show Notes:
Explore the nuanced concept of clinical pivoting in Emotionally Focused Therapy
Learn how to recognize and leverage moments of client openness
Understand the importance of intentional therapeutic decision-making
Insights from experienced EFT trainers on reading client emotional states
Practical strategies for deepening therapeutic connections
Key Takeaways:
Pivoting isn't just about managing blocks; it's about creating opportunities
Attunement drives therapeutic intervention choices
Therapists can become more intentional by understanding their moment-to-moment decision-making
Special Announcement: Join the presenters at the SV Focus Lab, September 11-13, 2025, in Fayetteville, Arkansas (hybrid event) to dive deeper into these concepts! Recommended for: EFT therapists, counselors, and relationship specialists looking to enhance their clinical skills and therapeutic flexibility.
Link for $50 discount to Focus Lab https://www.svfocuslab.com/leadingedge
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

Jul 28, 2025 • 24min
120. Stage 2 Series: Accessing and Utilizing Vulnerability in Stage 2: Introduction to Series
Dive into the intricate world of Emotionally Focused Therapy as the hosts discuss the pivotal transition from Stage 1 to Stage 2. They introduce the SAFE acronym, guiding therapists on how to assess client readiness and deepen vulnerability. Misconceptions and common challenges in this transition are tackled with practical insights. Explore the balance of emotional depth, responses to protective behaviors, and the importance of multiple corrective experiences. This conversation equips listeners to enhance therapeutic connections.

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Jul 19, 2025 • 37min
119. R.A.V.E.(ing) The Professional Human in Therapy: Self of the Therapist Episode w/ Dr. Chad Imhoff
Dr. Chad Imhoff, known as 'the EFT guy,' shares his insights on integrating therapist humanity into practice. He discusses how embracing emotional responses combats burnout and enhances client connections. Discover the innovative TEMPO technique for organizing emotional experiences and the RAVE approach for validating therapists' reactions. Chad emphasizes the importance of recognizing personal triggers to improve client care and highlights the balance needed between professionalism and authenticity in therapy.

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Jul 19, 2025 • 45min
118. Grief's Sacred Journey: Healing Through Connection with Dr. Tal Padeh
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
In this profound exploration of grief, Dr. Tal Padeh (ICEEFT Trainer, Israel EFT Center) reveals the transformative power of emotional connection. Through the lens of Emotionally Focused Therapy, we discover how grief can be a pathway to deeper understanding, love, and healing. Join us as we honor the complexity of loss and the human capacity to process pain with compassion and resilience. Another special treat, Nicola joined and added another layer of experience to this interview.
Grief is a natural human experience that requires a safe, compassionate space to process.
Encountering loss involves recognizing what cannot be replaced and honoring the depth of emotional pain
Couples can either be pushed apart or drawn closer through shared grief experiences.
Grief is not something to "get over," but a journey of continued connection and love with one's own experience, accompanied by the support of others.
Cultural and personal defenses can block grief processing, but therapeutic support can help navigate these barriers to convert them into beautiful opportunities for sacred experience.
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!

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Jun 11, 2025 • 36min
117. Navigating High-Conflict Couples Therapy: The Critical Importance of a Therapeutic Plan
Delve into the complexities of high-conflict couples therapy with insights on why a strategic plan is essential. Explore the risks of entering sessions unprepared, like triangulation and mediation pitfalls. Learn about emotional regulation strategies that stabilize therapists and help navigate destructive patterns. Discover how to gauge couples' emotional readiness and customize interventions for maximum effectiveness. The discussion emphasizes long-term solutions over short-term fixes for healthier relationships.

Jun 3, 2025 • 25min
116. Mailbag Episode (Validation and Enactments): Nicola Cameo
Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy, hosted by Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC—Renowned ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. We're thrilled to have you with us. We believe this podcast, a valuable resource, will empower you to push the boundaries in your work, helping individuals and couples connect more deeply with themselves and each other.
Summary: In this episode of the Leading Edge EFT Podcast, Dr. James Hawkins and his wife Nicola explore two critical questions from EFT therapists about navigating complex couple therapy moments. The discussion focuses on validation techniques, managing partner reactions during therapeutic interventions, and the nuanced art of creating emotional safety in couples therapy. Key Topics: Validation in EFT:
Validating attachment functions, not harmful behaviors
Balancing validation between partners
Recognizing the underlying emotional needs behind challenging behaviors
Therapeutic Enactments:
Navigating client resistance to sharing emotions
Helping clients express vulnerable feelings in new ways
Understanding the emotional landscape behind repeated communication patterns
Action Items:
Explore validation techniques that honor both partners' emotional experiences
Practice creating safety when challenging client interaction patterns
Consider attending upcoming EFT training opportunities
Memorable Quote: "You can earn the right to challenge after first meeting your client with validation."
Upcoming events, if you would like to train with James or Ryan…
You can do a joint Core Skills (Colorado) with Lisa J. Palmer-Olsen & Dr. James Hawkins. Core Skills Modules 1 and 2 will be held October 8-10, 2025, and Core Skills Modules 3 and 4 will be held January 7-9, 2026. You can register at https://courses.efft.org/courses/2025-core-skills-colorado.
October 15-18, 2025, you can do an Externship with James in beautiful Bend, Oregon. You can register at https://www.counseloregon.com.
You can train with Ryan, as well as George Faller, doing a live and some time with James, at the annual Arkansas EFT Center externship. July 29-August 1, 2025, in person, in Fayetteville, Arkansas. https://www.arkansaseft.com/events/externship
We would like to invite everyone to come hang out and learn with the SV team at the first-ever SV Focus Lab. This is an advanced, EFCT training intending to push the edge with a focus on nuance in application, illuminating EFT and Sue’s incredible model.”
You can learn more and register by going to https://www.svfocuslab.com. Leading edge listeners who register before July 1 with the code svfocuslab.com/leadingedge get a 10% discount.
To support our mission and help us continue producing impactful content, your financial contributions via Venmo (@leftpodcast) are greatly appreciated. They play a significant role in keeping this valuable resource available and are a testament to your commitment to our cause.
We aim to equip therapists with practical tools and encouragement for addressing relational distress. We're also excited to be part of the team behind Success in Vulnerability (SV)—your premier online education platform. SV offers innovative instruction to enhance your therapeutic effectiveness through exclusive modules and in-depth clinical examples.
Stay connected with us:
Facebook: Follow our page @pushtheleadingedge
Ryan: Follow @ryanranaprofessionaltraining on Facebook and visit his website
James: Follow @dochawklpc on Facebook and Instagram, or visit his website at dochawklpc.com
George Faller: Visit georgefaller.com
If you like the concepts discussed on this podcast you can explore our online training program, Success in Vulnerability (SV).
Thank you for being part of our community. Let's push the leading edge together!


