Pedro L. Gonzalez
Writer and former New Right personality who defected from the MAGA movement and now critiques it, known for past work at outlets like American Greatness and for writing about paleoconservatism and his political journey.
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Feb 23, 2026 • 1h 20min
Leaving MAGA Behind (w/ Pedro L. Gonzalez)
Pedro L. Gonzalez, writer and former New Right personality who left MAGA, explains why he joined, what life inside the movement felt like, and why he walked away. He discusses paleoconservative influences, the pull of populism, leaked private messages and online backlash. Conversation also covers conspiracy culture, antisemitic tropes, and life after leaving, including family and new writing projects.
