Li Zhou, a Vox reporter specializing in Congress and police reform, discusses the Democrats' new bill aimed at overhauling policing practices in the U.S. He explores its potential impact and significant hurdles. Meanwhile, Paul Hirschfield, a criminal justice expert from Rutgers University, compares U.S. policing systems with those in England and Norway, shedding light on their training differences. Together, they delve into pressing issues like qualified immunity and chokeholds, and the pressing need for bipartisan support to address systemic problems.