Pat Sunderland
Producer and guest on this episode who investigated the claim about Ukrainian chernozem soil in New South Wales, contributing research, interviews, and narrative reporting.
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Feb 9, 2026 • 22min
There Will Be Mud (again)
Pat Sunderland, a producer who investigated the claim of Ukrainian chernozem soil in New South Wales, walks through soil mapping, expert interviews, and on-the-ground evidence. Short segments explore government mapping tools, local chernozem-like patches around Nimitabel and elsewhere, shifting soil terminology, and rumors of a black-market for stolen soil.
