Pat Dorsey

Pat Dorsey, founder of Dorsey Asset Management and former Morningstar equity research director, built the firm’s economic moat framework. He breaks down moat types like brands, network effects, and pricing discipline. He discusses common mistakes in identifying moats, evaluating management and founders, when to avoid “too hard” areas like frontier AI, and using premortems to spot risks.

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In this engaging discussion, Pat Dorsey, a former director of equity research at Morningstar and founder of Dorsey Asset Management, delves into the concept of economic moats—competitive advantages that ensure long-term investment success. He explains the crucial difference between sell-side and buy-side approaches, and explores how intangible assets drive value. The conversation also highlights the importance of capital allocation and the impact of network effects on business profitability. Dorsey shares insights on mentorship and the nurturing of future investors.

Pat Dorsey, founder of Dorsey Asset Management and former Director of Equity Research at Morningstar, dives into the concept of economic moats—those unique competitive advantages that help some companies thrive amidst competition. He shares insights on how management influences these moats and illustrates his points with real-world examples like Krispy Kreme and Microsoft. Dorsey emphasizes the importance of long-term thinking in investing and explores niche markets, operational excellence, and the complexities of value chains in building profitable businesses.

My guest this week is Pat Dorsey, who was the longtime director of equity research at Morningstar, where he specialized in economic moats: sources of sustained competitive advantage that allow a few companies to deliver huge returns over time. Several years ago he left Morningstar to form his own asset management firm, Dorsey asset management, and build a portfolio of companies with wide moats like those he studied at Morningstar. And while moats are critical, equally important is how companies allocate the capital generated--or made possible--by the existence of the moat.   A special thank you to Brian Bares who introduced me to Pat, and to Will Thorndike--an earlier guest on the show. In the vast majority of conversations you hear on this show, I'm meeting the guest for the first time. I mention this to encourage you to connect me with anyone whose story or way of looking at the world might resonate. Always feel free to contact me with ideas.   Pat and I begin our discussion with the key differences between the sell side and the buy side, and then discuss all aspects of moats and capital allocation.    For comprehensive show notes on this episode go to http://investorfieldguide.com/dorsey For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast. To get involved with Project Frontier, head to InvestorFieldGuide.com/frontier. Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub. Follow Patrick on Twitter at @patrick_oshag   Show Notes 2:23 – (First question) – Transition from the sell side to the buy side and the biggest surprise  3:40 – What is a moat  5:16 – What part of the stock market universe has a moat  6:57 – Pat’s framework for identifying moat, starting with intangibles  8:32 – The power of brands  9:44 – what chance does an upstart have to come in and usurp a well-established brand    12:24 – Switching costs as part of the framework for identifying a moat  14:55 – The third component of identifying a moat, network effects, and what businesses should do to effectively build one  17:29 – Last component, cost advantages/economies of scale  19:29 – How do you analyze these four components into an investing framework that can be built into an actual strategy  21:13 – How does Pat think about this from a mis-pricing standpoint  23:37  – How does Pat incorporate current price of a company in consideration for future returns when pricing a moat  25:39 – How should a company with a moat operate to protect that characteristic, especially when it comes to their capital allocation  26:51 – Which characteristic of a moat does Pat find most intriguing  30:35 – What makes for good and smart capital allocation  35:58 – What is Pat’s process for identifying the best investment opportunities  38:38 – What are good economics when looking at a company  41:03 – If Pat could take any business, but have to swap leadership, what would he choose.  44:13 – Back to his process of finding investment opportunities  46:05 – Kindest thing anyone has ever done for Pat   Learn More For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.  Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag