Pablo Payan

General contractor from Merrillville, Indiana, who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 and discusses his reasons and subsequent regrets about that vote on immigration and economic policy.

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Feb 25, 2026 • 19min

They both voted for Trump: one regrets it, the other is all in

John Palema, a Massachusetts masonry owner and three-time Trump voter who prioritizes immigration and labor concerns. Pablo Payan, an Indiana general contractor who voted Trump then regretted it over immigration and economic fallout. Paul Hunter, a Washington correspondent who analyzes presidential messaging and political strategy. They discuss the State of the Union, immigration enforcement, labor-market effects in construction, and political calculations for midterm voters.

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