Lukas Peterson

Co-founder of Andon Labs, which studies whether AI systems can autonomously run economic activity such as vending operations and retail stores. Discusses benchmarking, autonomy, and the risks of AI-run businesses.

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Apr 15, 2026 • 2h 31min

Welcome to AI in the AM: RL for EE, Oversight w/out Nationalization, & the first AI-Run Retail Store

Sergiy Nesterenko, Quilter founder and ex-SpaceX avionics engineer, joins Andy Hall, Stanford political economy professor, plus Axel Backlund and Lukas Peterson, Andon Labs co-founders building an AI-run San Francisco store. They dig into RL for PCB design, strange machine-made layouts, AI oversight and institutions, deepfakes and persuasion, autonomous retail operations, AI boss behavior, and what it would take for AI businesses to truly scale.

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