Jeff Gardner
Former university CISO and cybersecurity leader now at Morgan Stanley, doctoral researcher who studied how cybersecurity professionals handle risk and advocates reframing threat management into formal risk (likelihood × impact) practices.
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Mar 21, 2026 • 50min
The Fundamental Mistake in Cybersecurity Risk Management
Jeff Gardner, former university CISO and doctoral researcher now at Morgan Stanley, argues cybersecurity has mistaken threat hunting for real risk management. He recounts a TLS epiphany, explains likelihood × impact, and shows simple five-point scales and prioritization. He also discusses training gaps, CISO burnout, and efforts to fold risk thinking into frameworks like NIST.
