This week, we're talking about 'La chimera', directed by Alice Rohrwacher and starring Josh O'Connor and Isabella Rossellini. The film follows a band of graverobbers on a quest for Etruscan treasures. But there's also a darker, more melancholy plot that makes you question what’s real and what’s symbolism. The FT's global head of audio Cheryl Brumley and audience engagement journalist Marianna Giusti join guest host Katya Kumkova to hash out what it all means.

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Links (all FT links get you past the paywall):

– The FT’s four-star review of La chimera, by Danny Leigh: https://on.ft.com/3UZLo6z

– An interview with filmmaker Alice Rohrwacher, by Simran Hans: https://on.ft.com/3WEiUk3

– For more Italian summer content, check out Mari Giusti’s ‘Postcard from Sicily’: https://on.ft.com/3K8TZgM

– Cheryl Brumley is on X @cherylbrumley. Marianna Giusti is @maupippa.

More or Less:

– Cheryl wants more Eurovision

– Katya wants to see more smell art. Check out this piece on The Met exhibition ‘Sleeping Beauties: Reawakening Fashion’: https://on.ft.com/3wu62lY

– Mari wants more Isabella Rossellini, and recommends ‘Green Porno’. Here’s Rossellini’s Lunch with the FT from 2018: https://on.ft.com/4bERe2D

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Original music by Metaphor Music. Mixing and sound design by Breen Turner and Sam Giovinco

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