154: Tom Rundel: The Lamb of God vs The Eagle of Rome

Jan 21, 2026

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n this episode, Tom Rundel delves into the historical and theological significance of Pope Sergius I's refusal to conform to political pressures in the late seventh century, particularly regarding the phrase 'Lamb of God.' This pivotal moment in church history illustrates the tension between faith and power, as Sergius stood firm in his beliefs despite the threat of arrest. Rundel draws parallels between this historical event and contemporary issues within the church, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the integrity of faith in the face of societal pressures. He highlights how the phrase 'Lamb of God' serves as a radical declaration of God's nature, contrasting with imperial power and domination, and invites listeners to reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the deeper meanings behind their beliefs.

Throughout the conversation, Rundel encourages a re-examination of what it means to follow Jesus, emphasizing that true spirituality is not merely about beliefs but about living out those beliefs in a way that embodies love, vulnerability, and sacrifice. He challenges listeners to consider their desires and how they align with their spiritual lives, ultimately calling for a deeper allegiance to the values represented by the 'Lamb of God.'

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00:00 Introduction to Pope Sergius and Historical Context
02:58 The Significance of the 'Lamb of God'
05:27 Political Pressures and Faith Integrity
10:00 Contrasting Symbols: Eagle vs. Lamb
15:46 The Radical Nature of the 'Lamb of God'
20:27 Faith as a Witness and Spirituality
25:26 Desire and Spirituality: What Do You Want?
30:50 Vocation and Living Authentically
34:51 Closing Reflections and Benediction

Takeaways

'I'm a Christian.'
'God's power doesn't look like empire power.'
'What do you want?'
'Faith is a witness.'
'Desire is naturally human.'
'Tell me what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?'
'The lamb symbolizes self-emptying love rather than imposed force.'
'We can't pretend otherwise, even if these people in power ask us to.'
'This is who Jesus is.'
'Come and see.'

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