
Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast Chris Hayes in Conversation with Jonathan Haidt about ‘The Sirens’ Call’
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Feb 10, 2026 Jonathan Haidt, NYU social psychologist and author focused on youth mental health. He and Chris Hayes unpack the rise of the attention economy, how smartphones and apps hijack focus, the Skinner-box mechanics of short video, and cultural and policy ideas to reclaim presence and relationships.
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Parenting And The Instant Escape From Boredom
- Chris Hayes describes parents scrolling while children ask for play and scream time.
- The example shows how adults flee boredom and immediately fill children's attention gaps with devices.
Smartphone As A Historical Discontinuity
- The smartphone's arrival in 2007 created a boundless, portable attention market that never ends.
- Chris Hayes argues this discontinuity transformed how consciousness is occupied globally.
Business Model, Not Just Technology
- Push notifications and app stores shifted the internet to an advertising attention market.
- Hayes says this business model drives platforms to grab involuntary attention and iteratively hold it.







