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#445 Debbie Lerman: The Deep State, Pandemic Planning and the COVID Narrative (Part 1)

Feb 19, 2026
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Debbie Lerman
Debbie Lerman, author and investigative researcher into the biodefense-industrial complex, shares her deep dive into pandemic planning and power. She explores the Deep State’s influence on COVID narratives. Conversation covers anthrax mysteries, biosecurity origins, polio’s role in vaccine infrastructure, propaganda camps, and how funding skews science.
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INSIGHT

Anthrax Case Shows Deep-State Coverups

  • The anthrax letters traced to US Army biodefense labs reveal deep-state involvement in bioweapons research and coverups.
  • Debbie Lerman and Doc Malik argue the official story about Bruce Ivins' suicide is implausible and likely fabricated.
ANECDOTE

Medical Doubts About Ivins' Death

  • Debbie Lerman recounts asking her husband, a doctor, about the implausibility of suicidal acetaminophen overdose in the Ivins case.
  • She uses that medical judgement to reject the official suicide narrative as suspicious.
INSIGHT

Three Camps Of Public Belief

  • Lerman describes three camps of public belief: mainstream believers, gatekeeper intermediaries, and fully awakened skeptics.
  • She warns camp two (gatekeepers) traps many who partially question narratives but stop short of full skepticism.
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