The Rose Woman Leading in Chaos: Soul Centered in a Tumultuous World with Amy Elizabeth Fox
What does it really mean to lead when the world feels like it’s on fire-when the news cycle, the climate, the culture, and even our own nervous systems feel stretched past capacity? In this episode of The Rose Woman Podcast, we’re asking a deeper question beneath all the conversations about performance, productivity, and “resilience”: What kind of inner life does it take to stay human, sensitive, and sane while holding responsibility for others?
Since 2005, Amy Elizabeth Fox has served as one of the founders and Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm. For the last twenty years, she has served as a leadership and culture change advisor to eminent professional services firms and Fortune 500 companies and facilitated immersive executive development programs for senior leaders.
Mobius offers top team intervention, business mediation, executive coaching, and personal mastery programs, all aimed at unlocking potential and building deeper trust, intimacy, and change agility within a company’s top tier. Mobius also sponsors a professional development arm for maturing transformational practitioners called the Next Practice Institute and has an e-learning arm entitled Mobius Touch.
Amy is considered an expert in healing individual, family, and collective trauma and has been a pioneer in introducing trauma-informed development and psycho-spiritual principles into leadership programs.
If you’re curious about how leadership, trauma healing, and spiritual practice can actually belong in the same sentence, you’ll want to lean into this one. Settle in, listen to the full conversation
In this episode, we cover so many topics, including:
- (00:00:00) Introduction to Amy Fox and Leading in Chaos
- (00:04:58) Amy’s Path merging Spirituality, Activism, and Leadership Work
- (00:07:01) Challenges of Corporate Culture and the Need for Inner Development
- (00:10:00) Organizational Consulting in Behavior and Executive Development
- (00:15:37) How the Book came through Meditation and Collaboration with Nicholas Janni
- (00:18:35) Meditation as Deep Receptivity and Access to Higher Guidance
- (00:22:47) Ongoing Inner Work as the Ethical Basis for Transformational Leadership
- (00:24:42) “Next Practices”: Inner Ground, Regulation, and Imagination in Chaos
- (00:27:15) The Role of Leaders in Creating Stable and Supportive Environments
- (00:32:17) “Nests” and Micro-Communities as Islands of Coherence and Care
- (00:35:11) The Impact of Gender and Cultural Dynamics on Leadership
- (00:37:56) Humility vs. Trauma-Driven Narcissism in Leadership
- (00:40:53) Inner Safety and Risk-Taking
- (00:42:55) “Innovation Titration” and Contemplative Practice to Handle speed
- (00:45:34) The Importance of Ethical Counsel, Humility, and Hope
- (00:50:48) Closing Thoughts and Invitation to Lead with Beauty
- (00:53:35) David Whyte’s “Start Close In.”
Helpful links:
- Amy Elizabeth Fox - CEO of Mobius Leadership and Author of Leading in Chaos: A Clarion Call To A New Future From Two Pioneers In Leadership Development And Transformational. Now Available on Amazon
- Next Practice Institute
- Foundations of Trauma-Informed Coaching & Consulting
- Follow on Instagram @amymobius @mobiusexecutiveleadership Linkedin @amyelizabethfox Facebook @amy.e.fox.94 @mobiusUS
- Nicholas Janni - Episode #159 Becoming a Radiant Leader with Nicholas Janni and Author of Leading in Chaos
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