
Classical Stuff You Should Know 12: What IS classical?
A lively debate about what counts as classical literature and why the label matters. They walk through criteria like artistry, cultural significance, and the test of time. The Great Books project and Mortimer Adler’s standards get examined. Teaching strategies, curriculum choices, and how older works reshape modern perspectives are also discussed.
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Student’s SparkNotes Argument
- Thomas recounts a student using SparkNotes ratings to claim The Scarlet Letter is a bad book.
- The exchange illustrates how popularity metrics can be misused as literary judgment.
Two Criteria To Evaluate Literature
- Evaluate literature by two criteria: how artfully it is rendered and the significance of its theme.
- Prioritize works that accomplish their aims well and address weighty human concerns.
Classics Shape Cultural Understanding
- A necessary condition for a classic is that it has been formative of culture and shaped how we understand being human.
- Works that speak across eras avoid each age's blind spots and remain meaningful.
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Intro
00:00 • 1min
Why discuss 'classical' with students
01:10 • 2min
Criteria: Artistry and Significance
03:18 • 3min
Why popular opinion isn't enough
06:22 • 1min
Cultural formation and the test of time
07:51 • 3min
What 'classical' means: dictionary senses
10:43 • 1min
Mortimer Adler and the Great Books
11:49 • 4min
Selecting great books for curriculum
15:42 • 2min
Dorian Gray as a classroom choice
18:00 • 2min
Teaching versus indoctrination
20:30 • 3min
Inexhaustible texts and deep classroom study
23:10 • 4min
Adler's three criteria for great books
26:55 • 2min
The Great Conversation and chronological teaching
29:16 • 6min
Classical texts change student perspectives
35:20 • 4min
Reading ancient works to escape modern blind spots
39:33 • 58sec
Inside the Great Books set and Syntopicon
40:31 • 6min
Religion, the Bible, and Adler's choices
46:32 • 4min
Outro
50:29 • 41sec

#575
• Mentioned in 55 episodes
Beowulf


Anonymous
Beowulf is an Old English epic poem that chronicles the daring deeds of its titular hero, Beowulf.
The story begins with Beowulf's journey to help King Hrothgar of the Danes, whose mead hall, Heorot, is terrorized by the monster Grendel.
Beowulf kills Grendel and later Grendel's mother, then returns to his homeland to become king of the Geats.
After ruling for 50 years, he faces his final battle against a fire-breathing dragon, which ultimately leads to his death.
The poem explores themes of heroism, fate, and the struggle between civilization and wilderness.

#415
• Mentioned in 70 episodes
How to Read a Book
The Classic Guide to Intelligent Reading


Edward Holland

Mortimer J. Adler


Charles Lincoln Van Doren
Originally published in 1940 and revised in 1972, this book is a classic guide to intelligent reading.
It describes the art of reading as the process by which a mind elevates itself through its own operations on the symbols of readable matter.
The authors emphasize active reading, highlighting the importance of keen observation, available memory, range of imagination, and an intellect trained in analysis and reflection.
The book provides practical lessons on how to read books effectively, including inspectional reading, analytical reading, and syntopical reading, to achieve a deeper understanding of the material.

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• Mentioned in 4 episodes
Dorian Gray

Oscar Wilde
"The Picture of Dorian Gray" is a novel by Oscar Wilde centered around a portrait that ages while its subject remains youthful.
Dorian Gray makes a Faustian bargain, allowing his portrait to bear the burden of his sins and aging.
He indulges in a life of hedonism and vice, remaining outwardly beautiful and youthful.
The portrait becomes a grotesque reflection of his inner corruption.
Ultimately, Dorian's attempt to destroy the portrait leads to his own demise, highlighting themes of morality, beauty, and the destructive nature of vanity.

#10
• Mentioned in 458 episodes
The Bible


Various Authors
The Bible is a comprehensive collection of texts that form the central religious text of Christianity and Judaism.
It is divided into the Old Testament, which includes books such as Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, and others that narrate the creation of the world, the history of the Israelites, and the prophetic messages.
The New Testament focuses on the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, along with the early Christian church and its spread.
The Bible contains a wide range of genres, including historical narratives, poetry, wisdom literature, prophetic writings, and epistles.

#431
• Mentioned in 68 episodes
Summa theologica


Thomas Aquinas
The Summa Theologica is a comprehensive work divided into three parts.
The first part deals with God, the creation of the world, angels, and the nature of man.
The second part is subdivided into two sections: the first part of the second part discusses general principles of morality and law, while the second part of the second part addresses morality in particular, including individual virtues and vices.
The third part, left unfinished by Aquinas, focuses on the person and work of Christ and the sacraments.
The work also includes a posthumous supplement that concludes the third part and discusses Christian eschatology.
Aquinas drew on Aristotelian and Augustinian influences and aimed to integrate faith and reason in his theological arguments.

#1743
• Mentioned in 25 episodes
The scarlet letter

Nathaniel Hawthorne
The Scarlet Letter, written by Nathaniel Hawthorne, is set in 17th-century Boston and revolves around Hester Prynne, a young woman who is publicly shamed for committing adultery.
She is forced to wear a scarlet letter 'A' on her clothing as a symbol of her sin.
The novel delves into themes of guilt, sin, redemption, and the strict moral codes of the Puritan community.
Hester's husband, Roger Chillingworth, seeks revenge against her lover, Arthur Dimmesdale, a local minister who is wracked with guilt over his secret sin.
The story explores the psychological and emotional suffering of the characters, ultimately leading to a dramatic public confession by Dimmesdale and the subsequent consequences for all involved.
The novel is a classic moral study and a masterpiece of American literature, critiquing the hypocrisy and rigid moral standards of the Puritan society.

#1593
• Mentioned in 27 episodes
Waiting for Godot


Samuel Beckett
Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot" is a seminal work of absurdist theatre.
The play features two tramps, Vladimir and Estragon, who wait endlessly for the enigmatic Mr. Godot, whose arrival is perpetually delayed.
Beckett's minimalist style and his exploration of existential themes have made the play a cornerstone of modern drama.
The play's ambiguous nature and its exploration of meaninglessness and the human condition continue to resonate with audiences today.
"Waiting for Godot" remains a powerful and thought-provoking work that challenges conventional notions of narrative and dramatic structure.

#68
• Mentioned in 229 episodes
The great Gatsby

F. Scott Fitzgerald
Published in 1925, 'The Great Gatsby' is a tragic love story, a mystery, and a social commentary on American life during the Jazz Age. The novel is narrated by Nick Carraway, who moves to Long Island and becomes entangled in the lives of his wealthy and mysterious neighbor, Jay Gatsby, and Gatsby's obsession to win back his first love, Daisy Buchanan.
The story delves into themes of honesty, the temptations of wealth, and the struggle to escape the past, ultimately reflecting on the disintegration of the American Dream.

#177
• Mentioned in 124 episodes
Nicomachean Ethics

Aristotle
The Nicomachean Ethics is Aristotle's most renowned work on ethics, focusing on the science of the good for human life.
The text is divided into ten books and discusses the concept of eudaimonia, often translated as 'happiness' or 'flourishing,' which is achieved through living a virtuous life.
Aristotle argues that eudaimonia is an activity of the soul in accordance with virtue, emphasizing the importance of reason, moral virtues, and the pursuit of excellence.
The work also explores the division of the soul, the role of rationality in human life, and the ultimate goal of human activity, which is to achieve happiness through virtuous actions and a complete life.

#137
• Mentioned in 145 episodes
To Kill a Mockingbird

Harper Lee
Harper Lee's "To Kill a Mockingbird" is a classic novel that explores themes of racial injustice, childhood innocence, and moral courage in the American South.
The story is narrated by Scout Finch, a young girl who witnesses the trial of Tom Robinson, a Black man falsely accused of a crime.
Lee's powerful storytelling captures the complexities of race relations in the Jim Crow South, highlighting the prejudice and injustice faced by Black people.
The novel's enduring appeal lies in its exploration of universal themes of empathy, compassion, and the importance of standing up for what is right.
It remains a powerful reminder of the ongoing struggle for racial equality in America.

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• Mentioned in 15 episodes
Gilgamesh
A Verse Narrative


Herbert Mason
This version of 'Gilgamesh' by Herbert Mason presents the classic epic in a verse narrative, emphasizing themes such as love, death, loss, and the transformative journey of Gilgamesh, the king of Uruk.
The story follows Gilgamesh's friendship with Enkidu, their adventures, and Gilgamesh's quest for immortality after Enkidu's death.
Mason's retelling is a blend of scholarship and poetic style, making the ancient tale accessible and poignant.
The book also explores modern themes such as weakness, grief, and the human condition, while maintaining the core elements of the original epic.

#55
• Mentioned in 239 episodes
The Odyssey

Homer
The Odyssey, attributed to Homer, is an ancient Greek epic poem that tells the story of Odysseus, king of Ithaca, and his ten-year journey home after the Trojan War. The poem explores Odysseus's encounters with various mythical creatures, divine interventions, and natural challenges.
Upon his return to Ithaca, he must confront the suitors who have been vying for his wife Penelope's hand in marriage.
With the help of his son Telemachus and the goddess Athena, Odysseus devises a plan to defeat the suitors and reclaim his throne.
The poem is a reflection on human nature, loyalty, and the consequences of one's actions, and it remains a crucial component of ancient Greek literature and Western cultural heritage.

#41
• Mentioned in 271 episodes
Brave New World


Aldous Huxley
Written in 1931 and published in 1932, 'Brave New World' is a dystopian novel set in a futuristic World State where humans are bred in vitro and predestined into a rigid social hierarchy.
The novel explores themes of technological advancement, social conditioning, and the loss of individuality and freedom.
The story revolves around characters such as Bernard Marx, an Alpha who questions the society, Mustapha Mond, the World Controller, and John, a 'Savage' from a reservation who introduces elements of emotion and individuality into the highly controlled World State.
The novel critiques the optimism of technological progress and its potential to create a society that values stability and happiness over humanity and freedom.

#101
• Mentioned in 169 episodes
Paradise Lost

John Milton
Published in 1667, 'Paradise Lost' is an epic poem in blank verse that follows the biblical story of the Fall of Man. The poem begins in medias res, detailing the descent of Satan and his followers into Hell after their rebellion against God. It explores two main narrative arcs: one focusing on Satan's actions and the other on Adam and Eve's story in the Garden of Eden.
The poem delves into themes such as free will, obedience, revenge, and pride, and it portrays the complex characters of Satan, Adam, and Eve. Milton's work is known for its rich language, classical structure, and profound theological and philosophical insights.

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• Mentioned in 36 episodes
Julius Caesar

William Shakespeare
The play, written in 1599, explores themes of political power, honor, and fate versus free will.
It centers around the conspiracy led by Brutus and Cassius to assassinate Julius Caesar, fearing his rise to power could lead to tyranny.
The play delves into the moral dilemmas faced by its characters and the consequences of their actions, culminating in a civil war.
The characters, including Brutus, Cassius, and Mark Antony, represent different facets of political ideology and personal conviction.
The play is known for its iconic lines and its enduring relevance in examining the dynamics of power and political decisions.

#120
• Mentioned in 159 episodes
The Iliad

Homer
The Iliad is an epic poem attributed to Homer, set during the Trojan War. It begins in the ninth year of the war, where a quarrel between King Agamemnon and the warrior Achilles sets off a chain of events.
The poem explores themes of heroism, honor, and fate as it describes the battles and interactions between Greek warriors like Achilles, Diomedes, and Odysseus, and Trojan warriors like Hector and Paris.
The story is interspersed with divine interventions from Greek gods and goddesses, influencing the outcome of the war.
The poem culminates with Achilles' reconciliation with Agamemnon and his subsequent rage against the Trojans, leading to the death of Hector and the eventual funeral rites for Patroclus and Hector.

#316
• Mentioned in 85 episodes
The Divine Comedy

Dante Alighieri
The Divine Comedy is an Italian narrative poem begun around 1308 and completed around 1321.
It is divided into three parts: Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso.
The poem discusses the state of the soul after death and presents an image of divine justice, describing Dante's travels through Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven.
It is an allegory representing the soul's journey towards God, drawing on medieval Catholic theology and philosophy, especially Thomistic philosophy.
The work is considered one of the greatest in Italian literature and Western literature, and it helped establish the Tuscan language as the standardized Italian language.

#140
• Mentioned in 144 episodes
The Republic


Plato

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• Mentioned in 42 episodes
Inferno

Dante Alighieri
Inferno is the first part of Dante Alighieri's epic poem, The Divine Comedy.
It describes Dante's journey through the nine concentric circles of Hell, each representing a different level of sin and punishment.
Guided by Virgil, Dante encounters various historical and mythological figures, witnessing their punishments which are symbolic of their sins.
The poem is an allegory of the soul's journey towards God, with Inferno representing the recognition and rejection of sin.
Dante's journey through Hell is also a personal and spiritual exploration, reflecting his own struggles and the political and social issues of his time.
Thomas leads us through the criteria for calling a work classical.
