The Quantum Biology Collective Podcast 174: All Biology Is Quantum Biology: Light, Evolution, and How We're Built for the Sun
All Biology Operates At The Quantum Level
- All biology is inherently quantum because life is built from particles and forces that follow quantum rules.
- Cameron Borg argues quantum effects are not fringe phenomena but foundational to processes like electron tunneling and olfaction.
Quantum Superposition Could Guide Evolutionary Choices
- Evolution may use quantum superposition to explore mutation pathways, collapsing to adaptive solutions more often than random chance predicts.
- John Joe McFadden's experiments showed bacteria develop beneficial mutations faster than expected under selective pressure.
Artistic Training Helps Ask Different Scientific Questions
- Creative disciplines can unlock scientific breakthroughs by changing perspective on problems like time's arrow.
- Borg cites Nobel laureate Ilya Prigogine, a pianist, whose artistic training helped him question time-reversible dynamics.
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Cameron Borg is a science communicator and host of the Ricci Flow podcast — and one of the clearest translators working at the intersection of quantum biology and real-world health. In this conversation, we go deep: from the philosophical foundations of why all biology is quantum biology, to the specific mechanism by which near-infrared light powers your mitochondria, to the impossible-to-prove-but-impossible-to-ignore question of non-native EMFs. And then Cameron lands it all in the most practical place possible. Stop overthinking it. Go outside.
Cameron Borg is the host of the Ricci Flow podcast, where he interviews scientists, researchers, and practitioners at the frontier of biology, physics, and human health. Known for his ability to translate complex science into clear, grounded thinking, Cameron has spoken with some of the leading figures in quantum biology, circadian medicine, and bioenergetics. He is based in Sweden and writes on Substack.
What You'll Learn
- Why calling it "quantum biology" implies there's a non-quantum biology — and why that framing is the field's biggest problem
- How near-infrared light does a "random walk" through your body, donating vibrational energy to the electron transport chain along the way
- Why your body evolved to be transparent in the exact wavelength range where most solar photons land — and what that means for metabolism
- The Prigogine story: how a classically trained pianist won the Nobel Prize by asking a question physicists weren't asking
- Why non-native EMFs are a hyper-novel exposure — not just more of what we've always had, but something our entire evolutionary line has never encountered
- Why trying to understand this scientifically often makes people do it worse — and what to do instead
- Cameron's actual daily approach: surprisingly lax, and entirely grounded in evolutionary logic
Timestamps
00:00 Studying Life Instead of Disease
00:19 The Shift Into Quantum Biology
02:09 Meet Cameron Borg
03:37 Resources and Where to Start
06:06 What Quantum Biology Means in Practice
08:26 Examples of Quantum Effects in Biology
13:45 Reductionism vs a Whole-System View of Health
18:29 Rethinking Evolution Through a Quantum Lens
21:41 Translating Between Science and “Woo”
28:14 Art, Culture, and Scientific Insight
35:15 Light Moving Through the Body
36:20 Understanding Near Infrared Light
37:12 How Photons Behave Inside Cells
38:57 Why Metabolism Depends on Light
42:04 The Energy Deficit of Modern Indoor Living
43:29 The Sun’s Role in Driving Complexity
47:29 Why People Feel Better Outdoors
51:12 The Debate Around Non-Native EMFs
54:43 Why EMF Research Is So Challenging
01:01:44 Practical Lifestyle Changes That Actually Matter
01:09:16 Closing Thoughts and Wrap-Up
Key Concepts Glossary
Near-infrared light (NIR): Wavelengths (~700–1400nm) that fall in a tissue and water transparency window, allowing penetration deep into the body rather than being absorbed at the surface.
Electron transport chain (ETC): A series of mitochondrial protein complexes that transfer electrons to produce ATP. NIR photons appear to lower the activation energy thresholds between steps.
Principle of superposition: When two electromagnetic fields occupy the same space, they combine into a new, different field. External non-native EMFs superimpose on the body's own endogenous field, altering it.
Negentropy: The capacity of living systems to maintain or increase order, apparently opposing the second law of thermodynamics.
Hyper-novel exposure: An environmental stimulus not just quantitatively different from ancestral norms, but categorically new — something our entire evolutionary lineage has never encountered.
Resources Mentioned
- Ricci Flow Podcast — Cameron Borg
- Cameron Borg's Substack
- Quantum Evolution — John Joe McFadden (2001)
- What is Life? — Erwin Schrödinger (foreword Roger Penrose, 1991)
- The Origins of Life — Eric Smith & Harold Morowitz
- Cells, Gels and the Engines of Life — Gerald Pollack
- How the Hippies Saved Physics — David Kaiser (mentioned by Meredith)
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