
Quillette Podcast We Have Never Been Woke
Oct 18, 2024
Musa al-Gharbi, a scholar and author of "We Have Never Been Woke," dives into the rise of progressive ideological orthodoxy. He critiques wokeness as a tool for elites to flaunt status and cultural capital. Al-Gharbi shares his journey navigating media backlash and the nuances of academic life. He addresses the emotional impact of misrepresentation in public discourse and emphasizes the need for clear communication to foster understanding across political divides. Engaging diverse viewpoints is vital for constructive dialogue in today's polarized climate.
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Smear Campaign Changed His Public Work
- Musa al-Gharbi describes being smeared by Fox News after a Twitter spat and having his face plastered across their site.
- The campaign flooded his university with threats and changed how he approached public writing and audiences.
Cross-Aisle Engagement Sharpens Thinking
- Engaging opponents forced Musa to rethink his own views and reveal blind spots in his prior work.
- He realized writing only for friendly outlets limited real influence on policy debates like bombing decisions.
Reframe Messages For Different Audiences
- Musa recommends reframing arguments to speak to other audiences' values rather than only preaching to your base.
- He advises writing things that an audience needs to hear but may find uncomfortable to foster persuasion.

