Bulwark Takes Trump Tore Down JFK’s USAID Program (w/ Atul Gawande)
Nov 12, 2025
Atul Gawande, a renowned surgeon and former director of global health at USAID, discusses the grave impacts of Trump’s foreign aid cuts. He highlights the immediate human toll, with aid halts leading to countless deaths and the dismantling of vital programs. Gawande sheds light on malnutrition interventions at risk and shares the poignant story of Rovina, a refugee mother facing dire choices. He emphasizes the historical significance of USAID in promoting global stability and urges listeners to take action through sharing his documentary and supporting relief efforts.
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Rapid Dismantling Caused Immediate Harm
- Trump’s administration rapidly dismantled USAID and halted many global health programs, causing immediate interruptions to medicines, food aid, and services.
- Atul Gawande warns these abrupt cuts likely caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and destroyed monitoring capacity.
Many Deaths Are Hidden Over Time
- Deaths from aid cuts are often invisible and delayed, especially for HIV and TB, and data monitoring was itself defunded.
- Gawande made a documentary to make these scattered, slow harms visible and document discarded medicines and rotting food aid.
Community Care Cut Child Deaths
- Community-based treatments like ready-to-use therapeutic food transformed severe acute malnutrition survival rates from >20% to under 5% or even 1% in some areas.
- Gawande highlights these low-cost, high-impact programs as central to halving child mortality over two decades.