In this episode of SHE MD, Mary Alice Haney and Dr. Thaïs Aliabadi sit down with Hospice Nurse Julie, a hospice and palliative care nurse who has supported thousands of patients and families at the end of life. Together, they gently explore what dying actually looks like, both physically and emotionally, and how understanding the process can help reduce fear.
Julie explains common signs seen in the final days, including terminal lucidity, changes in breathing, the “death rattle,” and decreased awareness, helping listeners understand that many of these experiences are natural and not signs of suffering. They discuss terminal agitation, how hospice teams manage comfort, and the thoughtful use of medications like morphine.
The conversation also emphasizes the importance of end of life planning, including advance directives, family conversations, and making wishes known to reduce guilt and conflict later. Julie shares how her work has changed the way she lives, encouraging presence, gratitude, and honest conversations about mortality. This episode offers comfort, clarity, and reassurance for anyone caring for a loved one, facing serious illness, or simply wanting to approach death with less fear and more understanding.
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What You’ll Learn:
How hospice care works and when it’s appropriate
What terminal lucidity is and why it happens
What the “death rattle” is and why it usually does not indicate suffering
How hospice manages comfort, pain, and terminal agitation
Why advance directives and end of life planning matter for families
How talking about death can reduce fear and guilt
How working with dying patients can change the way we live
Key Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to hospice care and why understanding death reduces fear
06:25 What does hospice really mean and when is it appropriate
10:00 What is terminal lucidity and why do some patients suddenly rally
11:30 Julie’s journey as a nurse
14:40 The difference between dying in the ICU and in hospice
19:30 The stages of dying
21:50 What actually happens during the actively dying phase
39:10 Explanation of “visioning”
42:30 What causes the death rattle and is the patient suffering
48:50 When is morphine used and is it always necessary
50:00 What is terminal agitation and how is it managed
53:00 How can families prepare emotionally and practically for end of life
01:00:25 How working with dying patients changes the way you live
01:07:10 Advice for someone who is scared they are dying
01:09:30 Is hospice covered by insurance and Medicare
01:10:30) Final reflections on making death less frightening and more meaningful
Key Takeaways:
Many physical changes at the end of life are natural and not signs of suffering
Comfort, dignity, and presence are the core goals of hospice care
Planning ahead helps families feel confident and united in difficult moments
Being present with a loved one can be more meaningful than trying to control every detail
Understanding death can help us live more fully and with deeper gratitude
Guest Bio:
Julie McFadden, RN, is the bestselling author of Nothing to Fear and a hospice/palliative care nurse with more than fifteen years of experience. Passionate about normalizing death and dying, she has more than one million followers on TikTok as @hospicenursejulie. She has been featured in Newsweek, Time, USA Today, and The Atlantic, and has appeared on Dr. Phil Primetime, Howie Mandel Does Stuff, and elsewhere.
Links:
Hospice Nurse Julie Social Media: https://www.instagram.com/hospicenursejulie
Website: https://www.hospicenursejulie.com
Nothing to Fear Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/734126/nothing-to-fear-by-julie-mcfadden-rn/
Nothing to Fear Journal: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/777758/the-nothing-to-fear-journal-by-julie-mcfadden-rn/
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