The Rest Is Politics: Leading 160. Michael Gove: Education, Brexit, and Trump (Part 2)
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Nov 3, 2025 
Michael Gove, a Senior Conservative politician and former cabinet minister, discusses his transformative vision for UK education and the complexities behind Brexit. He debates the 'messy' political future and considers Nigel Farage a potential savior over Labour. Gove reflects on his controversial decisions, including the impact of Dominic Cummings, while addressing the need for political judgment. He also shares insights on housing challenges and the dual nature of Trump's influence, emphasizing the role of trust and public perception in politics.
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Gove Mentored A New Prisons Minister
- Rory Stewart recounts Gove personally mentoring him when Stewart became prisons minister, giving long detailed briefings.
- Stewart emphasises Gove's serious, engaged approach that won departmental confidence.
Four Structural Housing Barriers
- Housing issues stem from complex planning, process-heavy environmental rules, concentrated housebuilders, and local resistance.
- Gove highlights commercial incentives and nimby concerns as structural barriers to building homes.
On Working With Dominic Cummings
- Gove describes Dominic Cummings as brutally honest and original, giving unique private advice in government.
- He admits he never fully controlled Cummings and sometimes intervened when aware of problematic actions.