Max and Donatienne discuss the internal power struggle between Ursula von der Leyen and EU member states over who should speak for Europe on foreign policy. They then turn to a conversation with Mona Yacoubian, director and senior adviser of the Middle East Program at CSIS, to discuss the Iran war and Europe’s role in it.

(00:00) Intro

(01:05) Von der Leyen’s foreign policy power struggle

(19:07) Mona Yacoubian

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