Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

MS NOW Presents: Clock It with Symone and Eugene

Feb 5, 2026
Two former White House adversaries turned colleagues invite listeners into their lively groupchat. They track how culture and politics collide, from music and fashion to TikTok and sports. Expect sharp takes on who is borrowing what and why those cultural moves matter.
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ANECDOTE

From Professional Rivals To Colleagues

  • Symone Sanders-Townsend and Eugene Daniels recount their decade-long relationship spanning strategist and reporter roles.
  • They shifted from adversaries covering the White House to friends and colleagues dissecting news together.
INSIGHT

Politics Happens Outside The Capitol

  • Political messaging often borrows from culture, slang, and aesthetics to seem relevant and powerful.
  • Symone and Eugene argue the real political games now play out on fields, runways, and TikTok rather than only in Washington.
INSIGHT

Watch Who Hijacks Culture

  • Politicians appropriate music, slang, and aesthetics to signal power or relevance.
  • The hosts intend to trace who is hijacking culture, why they do it, and whether it matters.
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