On this episode, we kōrero with a friend of mine, Luke Elborough. Luke's a Criminal Defence lawyer based in the Auckland region specialising in Legal Aid. Frequently, he gets to see behind the headlines, working directly with people on the receiving end of legal judgement. Luke talks to the complexities that lead to offending and how our Justice Systems are failing to catch people and instead aggravate the issues; leaving people more isolated from help and more likely to reoffend.