You've probably heard of Shameless, the celebrity and pop culture podcast that has taken the country by storm.

But who are Michelle Andrews and Zara McDonald, the notoriously private young women behind the podcasting juggernaut?

In this conversation with Jamila Rizvi, Zara and Michelle unpack what gave them the courage to leave their secure jobs and try something totally new, why they like keeping some seperation between private and public, and why we are all so obsessed with celebrity culture.

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