Stephan Livera Podcast

Lightning for Bitcoin Treasuries with Dave Lund | SLP711

Jan 20, 2026
Dave Lund, CEO of FlowRate, dives into the exciting world of Lightning Network yields. He shares insights from his entrepreneurial journey, highlighting how FlowRate connects traditional treasuries with Lightning’s potential. The discussion covers liquidity leasing as a reliable yield strategy and the importance of network topology for maximizing returns. Lund sees liquidity leasing as a potential replacement for traditional bonds and emphasizes the need for treasuries to adopt secure deployment measures. His vision positions Bitcoin as a new fixed-income asset.
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INSIGHT

Lightning As A New Telecom Industry

  • Lightning is becoming a new telecom-style industry with tiered operators and long-term topology advantages.
  • Treasuries are well positioned to deploy capital into Lightning to build infrastructure and capture native Bitcoin yield.
INSIGHT

Yield Per Deployed Sat Becomes Key Metric

  • The primary treasury performance metric will be yield per deployed sat on Lightning.
  • Treasurers should measure yield on an operating basis with minimal hot-wallet risk exposure.
ANECDOTE

Cash App And LQWD Routing Returns

  • Public reports show high routing returns: Cash App claimed ~9.7% annually on Lightning.
  • These numbers come from big operators that combine balance-sheet Bitcoin with large user flows.
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