The Rich Roll Podcast In Waves & War: Marcus & Amber Capone On Psychedelic Treatment For Veteran PTSD, Rebuilding Life After War & The Mission To Heal A Generation
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Apr 20, 2026 
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Ancient Medicine Meets Western Regulation Tension
- Rich Roll notes the Western urge to isolate ibogaine from the broader iboga tradition risks repeating a familiar pattern of extraction.
- Marcus and Amber agree traditional paths matter, but they focus on regulated FDA-style access because that is the viable route for veterans in the U.S.
Ibogaine Access Is Also A Supply Chain Problem
- Marcus and Amber say the ibogaine access problem is not just legal; it also involves sustainability, sourcing, and scale.
- Iboga is Schedule I in the U.S., grows in West Africa, resources are tightening, and they have heard of Chinese buying pressure in Gabon.
VETS Tries To Turn Personal Recovery Into Policy
- VETS combines direct veteran support with research and policy so individual stories can become system change.
- Amber says the three arms work together: program data and lived experience are taken to statehouses and Washington to unlock funding and access.