The Real Reason Kraken Built an L2 | Andrew Koller & Hilmar Orth

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Oct 29, 2024

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Andrew Koller

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Hilmar Orth

Andrew Koller, the founder of Kraken's new Layer 2 called Ink, teams up with Hilmar Orth, founder of Gelato, to discuss the surge of companies launching their own chains. They delve into the technical aspects of Layer 2 solutions, exploring who truly needs them and predicting a wave of new developments. The duo emphasizes the importance of decentralization and user autonomy in finance, and they highlight the strategic collaborations that will shape the future of decentralized exchanges and enhance user experiences.

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The L2 Convergence

The current proliferation of L2s mirrors the internet's early TCP/IP protocol convergence.
Companies should embrace their own L2s for better UX, control, and reduced reliance on intermediaries.

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Rollups as Verifiable Servers

Hilmar Orth views rollups (L2s) as verifiable servers, crucial for scaling Web3 beyond shared block space limitations.
Companies like Kraken might eventually need multiple chains for horizontal scaling, similar to Web2 infrastructure.

INSIGHT

Synergy of Wallet and L2

Kraken's simultaneous launch of their wallet and L2 demonstrates the power of integrating on-chain and off-chain services.
This approach enables enhanced features and seamless user experiences.

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In today's episode we unpack why Kraken is building a Layer 2, Ink. Andrew and Hilmar, dive into why companies are rushing to launch their own chains. We unpack the technical decisions behind launching an L2, and debate who actually needs their own chain, and explore predictions that hundreds of new L2s will launch in the coming months. The conversation really explores if crypto and financial products might depend on custom chain infrastructure. Thanks for tuning in!

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Timestamps:

00:00 intro

04:04 Why an L2?

16:37 Launching an L2

20:50 Why Optimism?

31:00 Value of Service Providers

39:05 Skale Ad

39:45 Supra Ad

40:41 Mantle Ad

41:32 Uniswao Ad

42:04 Ledger Ad

42:47 Building the App Layer

49:34 Who Needs an L2?

59:35 Bitcoin Renaissance?

01:05:07 5 Year Onchain Outlook

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