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In a Driverless World, Who Loses and Who Wins?

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Mar 25, 2026
Carl Richardson, Massachusetts State House ADA coordinator and blind-access advocate, makes the case for self-driving cars as freedom and mobility. Julia Mejia, Boston city councilor and labor champion, pushes back over threats to low-wage work. They clash over robotaxis, union power, disability rights, city politics, and whether Boston is hearing the right voices.
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ANECDOTE

Abdi Aziz Joined Uber To Survive The Taxi Collapse

  • Abdi Aziz saw Uber as an extinction event for Boston taxis and joined early because he believed resistance was futile.
  • Uber gave him a laptop and 200 phones a week to recruit drivers into the very app he thought would kill his old business.
INSIGHT

Uber Taught Drivers How Platform Power Turns On Workers

  • Abdi Aziz says Uber first lured drivers with generous pay, then used algorithmic pricing and oversupply to squeeze them.
  • That pressure pushed drivers toward unionizing just as Waymo appeared, now threatening to eliminate drivers entirely rather than just medallions.
INSIGHT

In Blue Cities The Waymo Debate Is Really About Jobs

  • PJ Vogt found that in blue cities the autonomous-vehicle fight centers less on safety than on protecting union jobs.
  • Boston hearings became a labor rally, with Teamsters and app drivers framing Waymo as a threat to hard-won organizing power.
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