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Finding Faith: A Conversation on Therapy, Trust, and Transformation

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Feb 13, 2026

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Seth Allison

Seth Allison, psychotherapist who blends IFS, Jungian thought and attachment work, shares his midlife pilgrimage. He talks about liminality, voluntary necessity, and how suffering can open space for trust. Conversations cover addiction and recovery as spiritual work, the role of community in transformation, and cultivating humility and relational depth in leadership.

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INSIGHT

Faith Through Worldly Participation

Bonhoeffer argues faith is learned by living fully in this world rather than by self-engineered holiness.
Faith becomes participation in life's duties, suffering, successes, and perplexities, a maturational metanoia.

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INSIGHT

Resonance And Voluntary Necessity

John defines 'resonance realization' as awakening spiritual senses repurposed from sensory-motor systems.
Voluntary necessity sits at the nexus of beauty, reason, and love and yields a felt calling that enlivens agency.

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Liminal Longing Turned Compulsive

Seth describes a midlife liminal period where longing and depression pushed him into compulsive relationship-seeking.
That arena exposed anesthetizing 'firefighter' parts and culminated in addictive patterns resembling substance addiction.

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Seth's background and how he found John

01:18 • 51sec

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Voluntary necessity and Bonhoeffer's quote

02:09 • 4min

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Distinguishing resonance and relevance realization

06:10 • 2min

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Noesis, prophetic hearing, and spiritual senses

08:29 • 4min

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Liminality and midlife transitions

12:14 • 5min

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Living unreservedly and participation in life

17:29 • 8min

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Hermes, pilgrimage, and ontological flexibility

25:02 • 7min

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Gethsemane: facing suffering with others

31:52 • 6min

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Depression, attachment, and liminal calling

37:59 • 6min

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Addiction, firefighters, and recovery as spiritual work

44:12 • 12min

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Dionysus, embodiment, and reclaiming needs

56:20 • 9min

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Oars Up groups and communal practices

01:05:39 • 6min

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From surrender to undergoing: phenomenology of change

01:12:04 • 5min

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Professional growth, Dialogos, and community effects

01:17:31 • 5min

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Betrayal, staying with suffering, and soft landings

01:22:45 • 6min

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Trust, faith reframed, and shared meaning

01:28:45 • 6min

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Humility, leadership, and cultivating liminality in organizations

01:34:30 • 6min

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Work as sacred place and vocational emergence

01:40:26 • 4min

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Final reflections: suffering, metanoia, and trust

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The Serenity Prayer

Faith and Politics in Times of Peace and War

Elisabeth Sifton

In this book, Elisabeth Sifton delves into the history and significance of the Serenity Prayer, written by her father, Reinhold Niebuhr, in 1943. The narrative sets the prayer within the context of Niebuhr’s life and work, highlighting his Christian realism and his efforts to challenge social and spiritual crises. Sifton recounts the prayer’s impact on those seeking grace, courage, and wisdom, particularly during times of war and social upheaval. The book is a tribute to Niebuhr’s legacy and a reflection on the prayer’s enduring relevance to liberal ideals and social justice movements.

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Midlife

Kieran Setiya

In 'Midlife: A Philosophical Guide', Kieran Setiya explores the challenges of middle age, including regret, mortality, and the sense of futility. He draws on philosophers like Aristotle, Schopenhauer, and Simone de Beauvoir to offer practical advice on living in the present and finding meaning through 'atelic' activities—those pursued for their own sake. The book provides a unique perspective on how to thrive during this life stage.

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Cost of Discipleship

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

In 'The Cost of Discipleship,' Dietrich Bonhoeffer challenges readers to question their understanding of true discipleship. He distinguishes between 'cheap grace,' which is forgiveness without repentance or commitment, and 'costly grace,' which demands obedience, sacrifice, and a genuine transformation of the believer's life. The book delves into the Sermon on the Mount, emphasizing the Beatitudes and the righteousness that Christ demands from his followers. Bonhoeffer also highlights the importance of community, forgiveness, and love in the context of Christian discipleship. He argues that true discipleship involves following Christ even in the face of opposition and persecution, and that it requires a radical inward transformation and a commitment to deny self and follow Jesus.

How can ancient spiritual practices be reanimated for modern life?

In this compelling episode, John sits down again with therapist Seth Allison to delve deep into the themes of suffering, trust, and growth within the frame of internal family systems therapy and Jungian analysis. Seth discusses his transformative experiences over the past few years, including the impact of previous conversations with John and his own journey through a profound period of liminality. They touch upon voluntary necessity, the role of suffering in cultivating faith, and the transformative power of relationships and community in overcoming personal crises. Seth also highlights the significance of humility in effective leadership and his aspirations for fostering supportive, growth-oriented environments in both personal and professional settings.

Seth Allison is a psychotherapist and depth-oriented thinker whose work integrates attachment theory, Internal Family Systems, and Jungian psychology with spiritual and existential inquiry. Drawing from both clinical training and lived experience, he specializes in helping individuals navigate midlife transitions, relational struggles, addiction dynamics, and identity shifts. Seth's approach emphasizes authenticity, relational depth, and the courageous engagement of suffering as a doorway to growth and deeper participation in life.

Seth Allison: LinkedIn

The Cost of Discipleship

Murray Stein

The Serenity Prayer

00:00 — Welcome to the Lectern

05:00 — Voluntary necessity and spiritual depth

08:00 — Bonhoeffer's profound insights

11:00 — Personal reflections and resonance realization

25:30 — Exploring liminality and midlife transitions

29:54 — You can't serve money and God, and money doesn't just mean money, it means ego, success and accomplishment.

52:00 — Hermes and the concept of love addiction

52:30 — The arena of partnership and self-discovery

54:00 — Addiction and attachment strategies

56:30 — Faith and recovery: a new perspective

58:30 — The role of symbols and sensory experience

59:30 — Transcendence and metanoia

01:07:30 — The importance of community in recovery

01:18:30 — Navigating betrayal and suffering

01:35:00 — Leadership and humility

01:44:00 — The subversive power of trust

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