
The Nietzsche Podcast 51: Fustel de Coulanges, The Ancient City, part 2: Conflict of the Orders
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Religion Built The Ancient City
- Ancient Greek and Roman cities were bound by religious worship rather than secular law.
- Civic institutions and rights flowed from shared ancestor and hearth cults, not individual liberty.
Hearth, Land, And Patriarchal Authority
- Family hearths were sacred and immovable, making land and lineage inseparable.
- Patriarchal religious duties defined property, political representation, and citizenship.
Sacred Fire And Political Exclusion
- The city's sacred fire and temples belonged only to citizens and excluded strangers.
- Local deities and hero cults defined political membership and security.
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Introduction
00:00 • 2min
The Origins of the Family
02:28 • 3min
The Gods of the City
05:52 • 2min
The Origins of Hero Worship
07:34 • 2min
The Internal Logism of Abduction
10:02 • 3min
The Origins of the Aristocracy
12:37 • 2min
The Plebeians and the Plebs
14:55 • 3min
The Plebs and Rome
17:28 • 3min
The Plebeians and the Roman City State
20:14 • 3min
The Rise of the Plebeians
22:52 • 3min
The First Revolution of the Aristocracy
25:35 • 3min
The Aristocrats' Revolution in Thought
28:16 • 3min
The Aristocracy and the Second Revolution
30:59 • 3min
The Aristocracy's Fear of Caesar
33:43 • 2min
The Conflict of the Orders
36:00 • 4min
The History of the Numa King
39:46 • 2min
The Struggle Between the King and the Aristocracy in Rome
41:35 • 3min
The Evolution of the Religious Law in Greece and Rome
44:10 • 3min
The Overthrow of Kingship in Rome
46:48 • 3min
The History of Primogeniture
49:19 • 2min
The Importance of Primogeniture
51:46 • 3min
The Precarious Social Order of Greece
54:21 • 3min
The Unhoped for Work of Solon
57:30 • 2min
The Rise of the Plebs in Athens
59:27 • 3min
The Plebeians and the Roman Empire
01:01:59 • 3min
The Decline of the Plebs
01:04:42 • 3min
The Origins of the Tribune Ship of the Plebs
01:07:31 • 3min
The Trine: The First Significant and Powerful Office of the Lower Classes
01:10:16 • 3min
The Rise and Fall of the Trine Ship
01:12:50 • 4min
The Fourth Revolution in the Roman Empire
01:16:25 • 2min
The Absolute Power of the City
01:18:27 • 3min
The Importance of Individual Rights in Democracy
01:21:31 • 3min
The Peloponnesian War
01:24:05 • 3min
The Tyranny of the Greek City States
01:27:02 • 3min
The Golden Age of Democracy
01:29:47 • 3min
The Origins of Modernity
01:32:43 • 3min
The Rise and Fall of the Stoics
01:35:35 • 3min
The Four Revolutions of Ancient Rome
01:38:34 • 3min
The Origins of Belief in Ancient Greece
01:41:14 • 3min
Having discussed the ancient foundations of the religion that governed the minds of the Hellenes and the Romans, we now discuss how life in the city developed. The social order and the laws governing the cities were rooted in religious beliefs that were so old that they were now already modified and subsumed within other, newer beliefs. Since the belief is the foundation of the social order, Coulanges asserts that it was the transformation of the religious beliefs that began to demand the changes which would occur in the cities. As the beliefs continued to be modified, a series of revolutions rippled through the Ancient Greek world. Centuries later, the same happened in Italy. First, the aristocracies revolted against the kings. Then, the people against the aristocracies - often installing tyrants (dictatorships which were supported by force and bribery). The struggle between oligarchies, tyrannies, and democracies then continued for hundreds of years, and the ancient writers began to see these forms of government as in a cycle of revolution against one another. However, the transformation of the social life brought with it new developments which in turn perpetuated the changes: the rise of Greek philosophy, the imperialism of the Roman empire and the spreading of its beliefs and temples to many lands and peoples, and finally the emergence of Christianity, which proclaimed the universal equality of man, one god over all the peoples of the world, and no secret or private worships. The social order could not survive this complete revaluation of values, and it disappeared in the centuries that followed.
While Coulanges and Nietzsche did not comment on one another's work at all - in spite of being contemporaries - they both shed light on the insights of the other. Here we have a historical analysis which is in line with Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morality, and his account of the Christian revolt against the pagan, Greek master morality. Coulanges, rather than present the case in terms of moral philosophy, examines the underlying religious beliefs as primary.
