Banned Books 433: Von Schenk - The Crucifixion
They explore sacrifice, sacrament, and the meaning of the crucifixion for worship and Christian living. Conversation ranges over union with Christ, Eucharist as foretaste, and the telos of the Lord's Supper. They probe liturgical renewal, pastoral responsibility, and how grief, failure, and hope shape faith. Themes include justice, love, deification debates, and the tension between gift and performance in sacramental life.
02:57:02
Ben Askren's Baptism Sponsored By His Opponent
- Donovan recounts Ben Askren's conversion after near-death; his former opponent sponsored his baptism.
- The intense suffering and rescue led both fighter and sponsor to Christian faith and lifelong fraternity.
Justice And Love Meet On The Cross
- Von Schenk frames reconciliation as difficult because God's justice and love must both stand.
- Donovan and Christopher note this follows an Augustinian line that treats the Fall as a historical rupture fixed by divine remedy.
How A Father's Silence Shaped Daily Love
- Donovan shares his father never told him 'I love you' and never asked forgiveness, shaping his parenting.
- He now tells his children 'I love you' multiple times daily to break that silence and give what he lacked.
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Intro
00:00 • 1min
Storytelling, craft, and waiting to tell
01:29 • 3min
Myths, adaptations, and fidelity to stories
04:52 • 4min
Preaching, personal grief, and the sacrificial text
08:31 • 2min
Wilderness wandering, failure, and sanctification
10:34 • 2min
Freedom in prison and post-release transformation
12:44 • 3min
Childlike faith and seeing the land whole
15:31 • 3min
Jesus, blessing, and Eden talk
18:49 • 2min
Death, underworld, and the rhythm of seasons
20:55 • 4min
Technology, appetite, and the soul
25:13 • 11min
Von Schenk and liturgical renewal introduction
36:11 • 4min
Von Schenk's posture on Communion
40:31 • 6min
Crucifixion then and now — union introduced
46:53 • 2min
Justice, love, and Augustine's shadow
49:11 • 5min
Union, communion, and concerns about the will
54:28 • 6min
Childlike faith, vocation, and failure's art
01:00:53 • 7min
Calvary, destiny, and the telos of the cross
01:08:10 • 6min
Lent attendance, preacher responsibility, and transformation
01:14:36 • 9min
Sacrifice, Eucharist, and von Schenk's sacramental framing
01:23:39 • 9min
Gift, sacrament, and receiving versus performance
01:32:45 • 10min
Union, deification, and Lutheran objections
01:43:02 • 10min
Preaching Good Friday and the danger of sentimentality
01:52:40 • 11min
Sacrament as foretaste and pastor's role
02:03:20 • 9min
God imagines us and kairos over chronos
02:12:46 • 8min
Practical ministry, failure, and pastoral humility
02:20:43 • 31min
Final reflections on gift and the grail
02:51:56 • 4min
Outro
02:56:15 • 41sec
#95473
The Presence
Berthold von Schenk
Berthold von Schenk's The Presence is a devotional-theological work exploring the meaning and power of the Eucharist and Christ's living presence in worship.
Written from a liturgical and pastoral perspective, it emphasizes union with Christ, sacrament, sacrifice, and the transformative effect of the Lord's Supper on Christian life.
Von Schenk aims to recover a sense of the sacred and mystery in sacramental practice while addressing mid-20th-century pastoral concerns.
The book was influential in liturgical renewal circles and provoked debate in Lutheran contexts for its sacramental language and emphases.
It blends pastoral reflection, biblical themes, and practical application for worship and Christian formation.
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• Mentioned in 68 episodes
The Count of Monte Cristo
Alexandre Dumas père
#42144
Christus Victor (The Christian Idea of the Atonement)
Gustaf Aulén
In Christus Victor, Gustaf Aulén critiques dominant atonement theories and revitalizes the ancient idea that Christ's death and resurrection defeated the powers of sin, death, and the devil.
He contrasts this 'classic' view with satisfaction and moral influence theories, arguing that the early church understood atonement as God's victory enacted in history.
Aulén's work profoundly influenced 20th-century theology by reframing atonement as cosmic conflict and liberation rather than solely legal transaction.
The book remains a key reference for discussions of atonement models and continues to shape ecumenical and scholarly debates.
Its accessible style helped it cross denominational boundaries and influence pastors, theologians, and lay readers.
#83876
Parsifal (Parzival) / The Holy Grail stories (works of Wolfram von Eschenbach and Chrétien de Troyes)
Wolfram von Eschenbach
The Grail romances by Chrétien de Troyes and Wolfram von Eschenbach tell the story of Parzival/Parsifal and the quest for the Holy Grail, interweaving chivalry, sin, and redemption.
These medieval narratives explore spiritual formation through trials, the consequences of failing to ask necessary questions, and the restoration available through repentance and grace.
Wolfram's Parzival emphasizes the wounded king and the land's healing as reflective of spiritual realities, while Chrétien’s earlier treatments introduce the Grail motif and knightly quests.
Their works influenced later literary and religious imaginations, including operatic adaptations like Wagner's Parsifal.
The stories are commonly used by modern clergy and theologians as parables for Christian pilgrimage and sanctification.
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• Mentioned in 8 episodes
Being Family
Scott Keith
#426
• Mentioned in 68 episodes
The Count of Monte Cristo
Alexandre Dumas père
#4123
• Mentioned in 12 episodes
A River Runs Through It
Norman Maclean
The book is set in the small towns and mountains of western Montana and revolves around the narrator, Norman Maclean, and his brother Paul.
It delves into their experiences with fly fishing, their close-knit family, and the broader themes of life, nature, and human relationships.
The story is a blend of memoir, elegy, and allegory, using fly fishing as a metaphor to explore deeper existential questions.
The narrative is marked by vivid descriptions of nature and a poignant reflection on the author's past, particularly the tragic events that shaped his life.
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The Courage to Be
Paul Tillich
This book, based on Tillich's Terry Foundation lectures at Yale University, discusses the concept of courage in various philosophical and theological contexts.
It presents courage as the strength to affirm one's own life in spite of its inevitable end and the lack of purpose.
Tillich analyzes courage in relation to fortitude, wisdom, self-affirmation, and existence itself, drawing on thinkers such as Plato, Aquinas, the Stoics, Spinoza, and Nietzsche.
The book is a sophisticated discussion of human ontology, anthropology, and theology, introducing these concepts to a lay readership.
What's Love Got to do With It?
In this episode, we read Berthold von Schenk's The Presence, discussing sacrifice, sacrament, human will, anthropology, the cross, Lent, Easter, Love, and the consequences of the crucifixion for worship, faith, and Christian living. Why does our focus determine how we view these things? What is the "telos" of the Lord's Supper, and where does it lead us? How does it change us?
SHOW NOTES:
B. von Schenk Bio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold_von_Schenk
The Presence https://archive.org/details/presence0000revb/page/n5/mode/2up
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