‘Real Housewives’ stars Jenna Lyons and Erin Lichy join Danielle to reflect on the reinventions that shaped them, as women, creatives, and public figures. From family rituals to the pressures of perfection, online criticism, and the surprising freedom of letting go, they share what it really takes to stay grounded when the world is watching. Jenna and Erin share:

How childhood food experiences shaped their adult relationship to cooking
Why perfectionism keeps so many women from hosting, and how Erin’s weekly Shabbat dinners taught her to “unbutton” and welcome people in without fear.
What it’s really like to reinvent yourself on reality TV, including dealing with internet trolls, losing control of the narrative, and showing up authentically anyway.
The wild story behind Jenna’s lash brand failure, including moldy packaging, a delayed launch, and losing Target as a customer, and why she now sees it as her biggest business lesson.
How being an outsider can shape empathy and taste
Why female friendship matters as adults, and how their bond formed not through glamor but through vulnerability
The refreshing style advice about creating a signature look
What makes a great leader or creative, plus why you should hire people smarter than you

Follow Jenna and Erin on Instagram @jennalyonsnyc and @erindanalichy

Check out Erin’s book She’s a Host

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Tanni Grey-Thompson - Brilliant Minds London