The Theopolis Podcast Episode 847: The Divine Council, Michael Heiser, and the Nephilim - with Peter Leithart, Chris Kou, and James Bejon
Jan 8, 2026
Peter Leithart chats with Chris Kou, a theology intern focused on the divine council, and James Bejon, an astute theological questioner. They dive into Michael Heiser's concepts of the divine council and its members, exploring intriguing biblical scenes from Psalm 82 and Isaiah 6. Chris argues for a nuanced understanding of the council’s role in divine consultation and humanity's intended participation. The discussion even touches on the enigmatic Nephilim, drawing connections to figures like Samson and Shamgar as divine interventions.
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Elohim Vs. Malak Distinction
- Michael Heiser reads the council-members as Elohim (gods) and treats 'malak' (angel) as functional rather than ontological.
- Kou summarizes Heiser: Elohim are spirit-realm beings who may function as messengers (malak).
God Shares Rule Through Consultation
- The surprising feature in divine-council passages is dialogue and consultation, not unilateral decree.
- Kou stresses God shares authority; He doesn't need counsel but delights to involve creatures.
Heiser's Cultural Appeal
- Heiser revived attention to the supernatural and the council because modern readings tend to downplay odd, supernatural biblical elements.
- Kou credits Heiser for unapologetically treating such scenes as real and central to biblical narrative.
