The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

277. Deeper Yet Into The Weeds | Pageau & Vervaeke

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Aug 8, 2022
In a captivating conversation, Jonathan Pageau, a symbolic thinker and icon carver, joins John Vervaeke, a cognitive psychology professor, to explore profound themes. They discuss the intertwined nature of perception and prioritization in understanding our environment. With humor, they tackle the complexities of ethics, the nature of evil, and the transformative power of beauty and love. The dialogue also delves into narratives shaping morality and the philosophical connections between pragmatism and truth, offering listeners a rich tapestry of insights.
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INSIGHT

Values, Ethics, and Narrative

  • Systems of priorities reveal underlying values, forming an ethic, an iterable value structure.
  • This value structure is embodied, driving characters' actions and making them interesting.
ANECDOTE

Mafia Ethic

  • Mafia characters, despite being criminals, embody a specific ethic or value structure.
  • This structure, although potentially negative, adds depth and interest compared to chaotic criminals.
INSIGHT

Primacy of Beauty

  • Schindler proposes the primacy of beauty, suggesting that without beauty, other normativities are inaccessible.
  • Beauty is when appearances reveal reality, unlike suspicion which assumes appearances deceive.
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