The Nonlinear Library LW - A Teacher vs. Everyone Else by ronak69
Mar 23, 2024
03:00
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A repairer wants your stuff to break down,
A doctor wants you to get ill,
A lawyer wants you to get in conflicts,
A farmer wants you to be hungry,
But there is only a teacher who wants you to learn.
Of course you see what is wrong with the above "argument / meme / good-thought". But the first time I came across this meme, I did not.
Until a month or two ago when this meme appeared in my head again and within seconds I discarded it away as fallacious reasoning. What was the difference this time? That I was now aware of the Conspiracy. And this meme happened to come up on one evening when I was thinking about fallacies and trying to practice my skills of methods of rationality.
If you are a teacher, and you read the meme, it will assign to you the Good Guy label. And if you are one of {repairer, doctor, lawyer, farmer, etc} then you get the Bad Guy label. There is also a third alternative in which you are neither --- say a teenager.
If you are not explicitly being labeled bad or good, then you may just move on like I did. Or maybe you put some detective effort and do realize the fallacies.
Depends on your culture: If your culture has tales like, "If your teacher and your God both are in front of you, who do you greet / bow to first?" and the right answer is "why of course my teacher because otherwise how would I know about God?" then you are just more likely to award a point to the already point-rich teacher-bucket and move on.
If you get called the Bad Guy, then you have a motivation to falsify the meme. And you will likely do so. This meme does look highly fragile in hindsight.
But if you are a teacher, you have no reason to investigate. You are getting free points. And it's in fact true that you do want people to learn. So, this meme probably did originate in the teacher circle. Where it has potential to get shared without getting beaten down.
What are the fallacies though? Here is the one I can identify:
The type error of comparing desired "requirements" with desired "outcomes". "A teacher wants you to learn" is a specification of the teacher-function's desired outcome. On the other hand, "your stuff to break down" is a desired requirement of a repairer. A repairer's desired outcome is "your stuff to work again". Generally, requirements are "bad" and outcomes are "good" because the function is transformation of "bad" to "good".
Any function can replace a teacher here to make it look like the only good one.
So, will everything be alright if you don't make the type error and only compare requirements with requirements and outcomes with outcomes? No.
Let's introduce a thief in the meme:
A repairer wants your stuff to break down,
A doctor wants you to get ill,
A lawyer wants you to get in conflicts,
A farmer wants you to be hungry,
A teacher wants you to be knowledge-less,
But there is only a thief who wants you to be rich.
Here, there is no type error. Only requirements are being compared.
But obviously this is not right. Thieves are bad. You know that.
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A repairer wants your stuff to break down,
A doctor wants you to get ill,
A lawyer wants you to get in conflicts,
A farmer wants you to be hungry,
But there is only a teacher who wants you to learn.
Of course you see what is wrong with the above "argument / meme / good-thought". But the first time I came across this meme, I did not.
Until a month or two ago when this meme appeared in my head again and within seconds I discarded it away as fallacious reasoning. What was the difference this time? That I was now aware of the Conspiracy. And this meme happened to come up on one evening when I was thinking about fallacies and trying to practice my skills of methods of rationality.
If you are a teacher, and you read the meme, it will assign to you the Good Guy label. And if you are one of {repairer, doctor, lawyer, farmer, etc} then you get the Bad Guy label. There is also a third alternative in which you are neither --- say a teenager.
If you are not explicitly being labeled bad or good, then you may just move on like I did. Or maybe you put some detective effort and do realize the fallacies.
Depends on your culture: If your culture has tales like, "If your teacher and your God both are in front of you, who do you greet / bow to first?" and the right answer is "why of course my teacher because otherwise how would I know about God?" then you are just more likely to award a point to the already point-rich teacher-bucket and move on.
If you get called the Bad Guy, then you have a motivation to falsify the meme. And you will likely do so. This meme does look highly fragile in hindsight.
But if you are a teacher, you have no reason to investigate. You are getting free points. And it's in fact true that you do want people to learn. So, this meme probably did originate in the teacher circle. Where it has potential to get shared without getting beaten down.
What are the fallacies though? Here is the one I can identify:
The type error of comparing desired "requirements" with desired "outcomes". "A teacher wants you to learn" is a specification of the teacher-function's desired outcome. On the other hand, "your stuff to break down" is a desired requirement of a repairer. A repairer's desired outcome is "your stuff to work again". Generally, requirements are "bad" and outcomes are "good" because the function is transformation of "bad" to "good".
Any function can replace a teacher here to make it look like the only good one.
So, will everything be alright if you don't make the type error and only compare requirements with requirements and outcomes with outcomes? No.
Let's introduce a thief in the meme:
A repairer wants your stuff to break down,
A doctor wants you to get ill,
A lawyer wants you to get in conflicts,
A farmer wants you to be hungry,
A teacher wants you to be knowledge-less,
But there is only a thief who wants you to be rich.
Here, there is no type error. Only requirements are being compared.
But obviously this is not right. Thieves are bad. You know that.
Thanks for listening. To help us out with The Nonlinear Library or to learn more, please visit nonlinear.org