The New Bazaar Attention and the Possibility of Persuasion
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Nov 4, 2025 
Jerusalem Demsas, a journalist and founder/editor of The Argument, dives into the complexities of liberalism and its relevance today. She explores the art of persuasion and its impact on politics, especially around immigration issues. Jerusalem shares her journey of launching her magazine to challenge illiberal trends. The conversation also touches on the risks of short-form video addiction and the need for nuanced interactions in a digital age. She emphasizes how real experiences shape political narratives and urges a balanced approach to engaging diverse opinions.
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Housing Debate Shows Slow Persuasion
- Jerusalem recalled the YIMBY housing debates where pro-building positions were once heavily attacked online.
- Over years many opponents shifted or rationalized agreement without admitting they changed their minds.
Persuade By Stating Facts And Engaging Power
- State material facts and tell the truth; facts and lived reality shape persuasion over time.
- Publish ideas you believe in and engage opponents who have power or make arguments in good faith.
Immigration Fears Focus On Safety, Not Facts
- Surveyed Americans saw immigration as neutral or positive on culture and economy but worried about public safety.
- Jerusalem suggests this fear stems from stories of a few violent incidents and concerns about vetting and capacity.