DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas Q&A | DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou
Apr 1, 2026
A lively live Q&A covering protests and their effectiveness, covert operations and foreign policy critiques, and murky ballistics and coverup questions. They touch on intelligence work across Ireland, Romania, and Pakistan, speculate about Plum Island and Lyme disease, debate India and public health, and riff on nuclear risks, neutrality, and surprising spycraft anecdotes.
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Why Current Mass Protests Lack Leverage
- Modern mass protests risk being optics-only without clear demands or followups.
- John Kiriakou and Ted Rall contrast No Kings rallies with Vietnam and 2003 Iraq protests that sustained pressure and forced policy shifts.
Why John Kiriakou Blew The Whistle
- John spoke out about enhanced interrogation to protect himself when the agency threatened to blame him.
- He initially expected internal dissent to surface, but when it didn't he chose public disclosure to avoid being a scapegoat.
Don't Trust Early Declarations Of Victory
- A quick declared end to military operations can be a strategic public relations move, not the reality on the ground.
- Ted and John expect longer deployments because key chokepoints like the Strait of Hormuz must be secured.