It Could Happen Here Arab Israeli Peace and New Visions for Gaza feat. Dana El Kurd
Dec 8, 2025
Dana El Kurd hosts Matan Kaminer, an anthropologist researching migration and Arab-Israeli normalization, and Ben Schuman-Stoler, founder of Kolo Media and co-creator of the Bad Cousins podcast. They delve into the Abraham Accords, unpacking how this diplomatic framework both clarifies and muddles the reality of Palestinian rights. The conversation highlights the stark critique of 'tolerance' rhetoric as coercive, the implications of normalization in Gulf states, and the necessity of linking Gaza's struggles to broader global issues like democracy and climate.
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Tolerance Rhetoric As Coercion
- The 'tolerance' rhetoric in the peace framework functions as coercion to accept the deal.
- Ben calls it mafia-like: change mindsets or face consequences masked as benefits.
Peace Label Polices Dissent
- Normalization frames peace as 'tolerance' that delegitimizes dissent and strengthens authoritarian control.
- The label 'peace' becomes a litmus test that polices critics as intolerant.
Hagar As Counter-Myth
- Hagar's story reframes the Abraham myth around migration and marginality rather than inheritance.
- Matan suggests reading Abrahamic stories through Hagar to highlight migrant experiences.