Show 397. Claire Coutinho

Claire is the Shadow Secretary of State for Energy, Climate Change and Net Zero, having been Secretary of State in the last Conservative government... and she's changed her position on Net Zero.

In this candid and entertaining interview, she tells us why she's changed her mind and her frustrations with the system.

Claire also talks about having to confront her own mortality after the traumatic birth of her son and what it's done for her outlook on life.

Plus, freedom of speech, class, race and everything else going on in politics at the moment.

It's a classic. 

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