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Sebastian Mallaby: The Ghost in the Machine

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Apr 20, 2026
Sebastian Mallaby, journalist and author who writes about innovation and capitalism, discusses Demis Hassabis and DeepMind. He explains why Hassabis is underrecognized yet pivotal. Conversations cover Hassabis’s path from chess prodigy to Cambridge, DeepMind’s Google acquisition, the 2023 AI race, safety culture, regulation, and whether we can entrust powerful AI to a few individuals.
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INSIGHT

Obscure Leader With Outsized Influence

  • Demis Hassabis is relatively obscure publicly despite leading DeepMind and potentially being more influential than Altman or Musk.
  • Sebastian Mallaby argues Hassabis could be the first billionaire Nobel laureate and the key figure shaping AI's future.
ANECDOTE

Prodigy Who Turned Down Big Money For Science

  • Hassabis rose as a child chess prodigy, coded hit video games as a teen, then chose Cambridge and science over immediate wealth.
  • He turned down a million-dollar game developer offer, later consulting while insisting on finishing computer science at Cambridge.
INSIGHT

Merger Turned Research Lead Into Product Powerhouse

  • DeepMind led AI pre-ChatGPT but ChatGPT's viral release reframed DeepMind as behind; Google merged Brain with DeepMind and put Hassabis in charge.
  • That merger plus Hassabis's mix of research and product experience produced Gemini 3 outpacing ChatGPT on leaderboards.
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