
The Bulwark Podcast Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law
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Feb 4, 2025 Anne Applebaum, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and Atlantic staff writer, dives deep into the alarming intersection of technology and governance. She highlights Elon Musk’s unprecedented influence over U.S. policy and likens his actions to those of authoritarian regimes. The conversation raises ethical dilemmas for government officials pressured to conform. Applebaum also warns about the implications for U.S. soft power, particularly regarding USAID's role in promoting democracy abroad, amidst rising authoritarianism and challenges in social media regulation.
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Extralegality and Secrecy
- Musk's actions lack legal basis, marking a new phase in US governance outside established norms.
- He demands secrecy about his young team's identities, revealed by Wired, while seeking access to government data.
Conformity vs. Dissent
- Conformity is common when systems offer no alternatives; consider why anyone dissents.
- US government officials now face the choice of conforming to new rules or losing their jobs.
Anonymous Code Rewriting
- A Musk associate ('Fred') rewrites critical US government system code, helped by terrified staff who fear errors.
- Staffers only know him as 'Fred', highlighting the lack of transparency and accountability.






