On today's episode I chat with Keith and Courtney, cohosts of the podcast Tripping Over Love. Keith is licensed therapist and a Level 3 IFS Consultant, and Courtney is journalist and podcaster. They joined me to share their beautiful, messy love story.

We dive into the courage it takes to start over, the "trauma" of the dating apps, and how they've used Internal Family Systems (IFS) and psychedelics to navigate the "breakups, breakdowns, and breakthroughs" of their relationship .

We discuss:

Starting relationships with truth instead of performance.
Radical transparency — "starting with the ending" — as a foundation for trust.
Why telling the truth early can save a relationship later.
Loving someone while still grieving a past life.
Speaking for parts instead of from them in moments of conflict.
Finding the courage to try again after loss and heartbreak.
Dating is messy: Getting honest about the "thrift store shopping" energy of dating apps.
The difference between loving someone and being "in love."
IFS as "four-wheel drive": Turning toward the model when relationships get stuck.
How psychedelic-assisted journeys helped unlock grief — and create space to love again.

Extended Interview

At the end of our chat, I asked them each for one piece of advice for couples. This extended interviews is available for paid subscribers over on The One Inside Substack.

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