"Modern Relationships" E8: Marriage is a Preparation for Divorce | Agnes Callard & Arnold Brooks
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Feb 28, 2025 
Agnes Callard, a philosopher at the University of Chicago, known for her unique views on marriage, joins her colleague Arnold Brooks, who focuses on Aristotle's insights about relationships. They discuss how their relationship evolved from a student-teacher dynamic into a deep partnership, arguing whether marriage should be transcendent or an achievement. Agnes provocatively claims that "marriage is a preparation for divorce," while Arnold suggests the essence of partnership is simply appreciating one's partner's life. Their conversation invites listeners to rethink modern love.
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Interpreting Aristotle
- Agnes was initially drawn to Arnold's exceptional ability to interpret Aristotle.
- She later realized this was part of a broader skill in interpreting people.
Choosing a Partner
- Consider what truly matters in a partner, beyond initial attraction.
- Agnes prioritized courage and having children in her partner choice.
Marriage as a Project
- Agnes views marriage as a project to be transcended, not an end goal.
- Arnold believes marriage is something to achieve and build upon.